On 7/26/2025 10:01 PM, Derek Buitenhuis wrote:
On 7/26/2025 8:29 PM, Timo Rothenpieler wrote:
It's still an extended test. You cannot push to it, since it's just a
mirror.
That's not what written in the announcement, and the fact it is "still
a test" has not been communicated on this list, to my knowledge. It's
all about as clear as mud...
It's possible I am the only one dumb enough to miss that fact, but I suspect
(hope) probably not.
It's what the whole vote was about, the vote was not "Let's migrate to
this", but "Let's put this through a more extended test".
So I'd say the list was very much informed about that?
How do you expect to suddenly switch every last person over from the ML
to a new tool?
You do it once, decisively, with no point where it is both dev paths
simultaniously.
VideoLAN managed it, and countless companies and other projects have managed it
with
no overlap. Many of which I have experienced first hand. It's one thing to
slowly
move projects from an org/community over, but having several extant methods of
contributing and reviewing the same repo's code is pretty much the #1 thing that
is avoided.
Videolan hat the exact same transitional period, where both the ML and
Gitlab were in use for at least a couple months to half a year.
vlc-devel is still active to this day, even with the very occasional
stray patch still landing there, just not for patches.
I expect this to go similar for FFmpeg.
At some point there will be a more strong PSA sent out that Patches via
ML will no longer receive the same attention. But so far now is not that
time.
This isn't really unique to FFmpeg.
There's always going to be a transition period where both are in use,
gradually shifting.
... why? It's not necessary, and is a pretty terrible experience for not
much gain except more time for people to argue.
How do you intend to get everybody into one boat to move over all at once?
VLC has a central governing body who is able to make such decisions and
force the issue if need be.
FFmpeg does not, so I don't see who would be able to make such a call,
and specially then also have everyone follow it.
So yes, for now there needs to be eyes on both.
Unfortunate.
- Derek
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