On 05 Jul 2005, at 6:56 PM, dhbailey wrote:

Sibelius 4 has been announced, and one aspect which we have clamored for on this list for years is in their list of added features: Dynamic linking of parts to the score. Apparently you only have to change things in the score, and the changes are reflected in the parts. I know no more about it, but thought I would let you folks know about it and give you this link. But it does allow the user to tweak certain things in the parts which don't show up in the score, so nudging of items for better legibility won't affect the score but can make the parts more legible. It sounds like a glorified Special Parts Extraction, where each part is maintained in its own layout, unlike Finale, where whatever layout changes are made in special parts extraction affect the score as well. There is a flash movie which supposedly shows how it all works:

http://www.sibelius.com/products/sibelius/4/dynamicparts.html

If the above flash movie is to be believed, it's a *lot* more than just glorified Special Part Extraction. Assuming everything works as advertised -- e.g., copy layout from one part to another, auto page turns *when laying out the part* (not as a flaky, unreliable plugin), split-screen score/parts, etc. -- it's exactly what many of us have been asking for from Finale for years. Dynamic Parts looks like a dream come true -- in fact, it looks very much like my own vision of how this feature ought to work -- and I agree that Coda needs to implement their version of this ASAP.

That said:

If Finale doesn't start listening to its core users and stop dicking around with fancy playback issues, it's going to lose the entire educational and professional market, plain and simple.

David, this is a baseless assertion. First, hardcore engravers don't drive sales of Finale. Second, what on earth makes you think the educational market isn't interested in playback? Third, Finale is only just now catching up to (and, in some was, surpassing) Sibelius in terms of playback capabilities. Sib has had it together on playback for a while now, which is why they were able to be innovative in other areas, like the new Dynamic Parts.

Let's hope that Finale2006 has this feature, too! Wait, I just checked, and it's nowhere to be seen. But they're making it easy to use GPO -- wow! Incredible, just what every engraver needs! And wait a minute more, there's a new MIXER panel, something I've seen every engraver clamor for time and again.

Actually, I believe the addition of a mixer has been the most-requested new Finale feature request for many years now. It's ridiculous for you to claim there isn't a demand for it just because you don't need it.

Also, you'll notice that one of the most accomplished engravers on this list, Johannes Gebauer, now uses GPO -- and in fact was recently complaining that GPO-Finale integration in 2k5 leaves a lot to be desired, and requires far too much hand-tweaking. I happen to agree -- hell, I'm sure anyone who uses GPO and Finale agrees -- and I'm very much looking forward to the improvements Fin2006 promises in this area.

I am beginning to fear for Finale's continued well-being -- those of us on this list who care about GPO probably already have it! And those of us who don't have it probably don't really care about it.

That's demonstrably not true. Lots of people on this list have expressed an interest in GPO, but are still sitting on the fence, or waiting to see what Fin2006 brings, or waiting until they upgrade their machines, or waiting to see what the sample GPO instruments included in Fin2k6 sound like, etc. More to the point, there's been a tremendous interest on the GPO forums about Finale integration, with lots of GPO users considering switching to Finale because of the tighter integration in Fin2k6.

So why integrate it with Finale (and add the cost to the product when many don't want/need it) when something which would truly make getting the music onto paper (oh, let's not forget, TEXTURED paper on-screen! Will it print like that, I wonder?) like linked score/parts isn't included.

Okay, first off, the textured paper is a feature borrowed from Siblelius. It was, I assume, a trivial feature to add, and matching Sibelius feature-for-feature is obviously important to Coda. I can see textured paper being impressive to newbies forming their first impressions of the programs. Sibelius almost always makes a better first impression, because it's generally more polished-looking and the UI is more intuitive. (Obviously the textures don't print in either application.)

Next, believe me, nobody wants linked scores and parts more than I do. But that's a really big feature to add. Fin2k6 looks like it was focused on solving performance and redraw issues and improving playback. These were both high-priority areas for a *lot* of Finale users, and Finale's punishing yearly upgrade schedule only allows them to focus on so much every year.

Anecdotally, I have been told that many Coda programmers are unhappy with the yearly update grind, and would prefer to do what Sibelius does -- release more impressive, thorough upgrades less frequently. I have also been told that this is financially impossible.

- Darcy
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