On 6 Jul 2005 at 10:36, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

> David W. Fenton wrote:
> 
> >Other than Andrew, who has suggested anything else?
> >
> >Didn't we start from the Sibelius demo, which gives examples of
> >editing in both the score and the part, and how in each case, the
> >changes appear in the other? And how layout issues are independent
> >for the two views?
> >
> >I can only think that perhaps you and Andrew didn't view the Sibelius
> > demo?
>
> No, I viewed it. Looks good, if it works right. Just restating that
> I'd want it both ways.
> 
> I'm not clear if this new feature in Sibelius applies to things like
> slurs, or articulations.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, the ability to edit slurs in Finale is 
severely limited in comparison to Finale in the first place, so 
chances are good you don't get extra flexibility with it. However, 
I'd expect what editability you *do* have in Sibelius to be 
independent for score and parts.

Based on my meager knowledge of Sibelius, I think the situation with 
articulations is likely to be similar, as one of the complaints I've 
heard from Finale users is the severe limitations one has in Sibelius 
in regard to articulation positioning.

Since it's Finale we're talking about, I would agree that any 
implementation in Finale would have to store separate positioning 
data for parts and scores for those elements.

As I said early on in this discussion, I've always conceived of an 
implementation of this feature in Finale storing only the delta from 
the score for each part. That is, any positioning in the score is 
inherited in the part, until such time as you change it in the part. 
At that point, the offset from the score position (or the absolute 
position -- there are advantages to both approaches, but absolute is 
probably better) is stored with the part definition.

I just don't see that as being terribly difficult to implement, in 
proportion to the utility that comes from. Yes, it would be a 
programming challenge, both in terms of UI and in terms of data 
storage. But it really isn't that complicated, since (as someone has 
already pointed out) there are already score-only or part-only data 
structures (i.e., measure expressions with staff lists).

-- 
David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

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