On 6 Jul 2005 at 14:30, Darcy James Argue wrote: > On 06 Jul 2005, at 12:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > On 6 Jul 2005 at 3:24, Darcy James Argue wrote: > > >> When you select a Dynamic Part in Sibelius, it spawns a completely > >> new window. . . > > > > But not an *independent* one -- it's a child window of the parent > > Finale window. This seems to me exactly the correct way to do it. > > Well, I don't know how XP works so I can't comment on that end of it. > But on the Mac, there is no such thing as a "child" window.
Sure there is. Any document window spawned by Finale is a child of the parent Finale window. The way that is represented onscreen and the available behaviors for that window are completely different between Windows and OS X/Mac OS, but the windows are still child windows of Finale (i.e., spawned by Finale and owned by Finale for the purpose of displaying Finale data). > >> . . . My preference would be for Finale to *not* do that. I like > >> the concept of parts as a separate View in *the same window* -- > >> hence my idea of Parts View and Score View. > > > > How would you want it implemented, as two panes of a single window? > > No -- no split screen. It would be just another view inside the main > window, like Page View and Scroll View. But you can't view Page View and Scroll View simultaneously in the same file unless you open a new document window. > > If you do that, you end up with the ability to have only two panes, > > meaning you could not compare multiple parts simultaneously. > > Hmm. Well, you could open multiple copies of the same document -- but > I don't think that's a very good solution, either. Opening multiple document windows solves the problem, though. And that's what I'm reading you as having said you don't like. > The problem is that -- on Mac at least -- it's very bad UI to have > changes in one open document automatically affect another document. How are multiple windows on a single document implemented on the Mac? Whatever method is used for that would make perfect sense for part view. > With Dynamic Parts, we are talking about a *single* document that > contains both the score and the parts. Parts view is just a different > way of viewing the underlying data. But as soon as we start spawning > separate windows, that looks -- to Mac users -- like separate, > independent documents, and that's not what we want for Dynamic Parts. Well, perhaps I'm wrong to assume that FinMac has the ability to open multiple windows on the same Finale file? > It's hard for me to say if this is a problem, because I never compare > two (or more) parts on-screen simultaneously. If I want to compare > parts, I print them out. But if on-screen comparison of multiple > parts is important to people, I guess there needs to be some way of > doing that -- I would just prefer to do that *without* spawning a > bunch of new windows. But that's a tough nut to crack. I do it for copying system layouts (i.e., choosing system breaks). Sibelius's capability for copying layouts from one part to another would obviate that, but I can definitely see wanting to view a couple of parts at a time for other reasons, as well, such as editing the parts from a printed set of parts that have been marked up during a rehearsal/performance. > > Well, I think it should work the same way as "New Window" within a > > document works -- it opens a new document window showing the same > > document, and you can adjust that window's view accordingly. > > There is no "New Window" menu item on the Mac. You can't view two parts of a Finale document simultaneously? *BOGGLE* Tons of my editing work requires this! It's how I do my musicological editing, where I make editorial suggestions to make, say, an exposition and a recap have similar dynamics/articulations/bowings. > > The simplest way to implement it, seems to me, with the most > > flexibility, is to start from Finale's current implementation of New > > Document Window, where you can switch between scroll and page view > > in any of those windows independently. If you then add the part > > views as options in each of those document windows, you've got > > maximum flexibility. > > > > I can't see how your suggestion would do anything but prevent the > > implementation of viewing more than one part at a time. > > I have no problem with the UI you suggested for Windows, if that's > what Windows users are used to. But the approach you suggest is > completely nonstandard on the Mac. > > In Sibelius -- at least on Mac -- you can't compare two parts > side-by-side. You can only have the score window plus one dynamic > part open at any one time. That would seem to me to be a very severe limitation. > There is also a warning in Sibelius: "Closing the full score will also > close the parts. Do you want to do this?" That means they aren't really independent windows, and if the same warning applies in the Windows version, that means it's a bad implementation, one that violates the rules of how the Windows multiple document interface is supposed to work. -- David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associates http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
