On 16.01.2007 John Howell wrote:

That's also what I had in mind, and I have always thought that the ripieno 
indications were for this purpose.

Is memory betraying me?

Concertino and ripieno go back at least to Corelli's concertos (which Handel 
certainly would have known), and had nothing to do with how large the ripieno 
was.  Corelli's and Handel's were rather small, and probably Vivaldi's as well. 
 And of course 90% or more of modern performances ignore those instructions.

I know that, but in the special case of the Messiah, there is no concertino, but there are ripieno indications, which seems to suggest that certain movements used much larger forces (the amateur back desks) than others.

BTW, in the case of Corelli the orchestra was actually huge by their standards.

Johannes
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