Good point ... Marshall uses "learn" as the vowel sound model.

Dean

On Apr 30, 2007, at 1:46 PM, John Howell wrote:

Well, I don't know IPA, but could you describe what you mean by [3] by analogy with other standard English words. Otherwise I can't tell what you're suggesting.

John


At 12:38 PM -0700 4/30/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, John Howell wrote:

Madeleine Marshall informs, "Never sing "r" before a consonant. (p. 9) So, she would have the singers pronounce bird as" b[3]d." I.e., she would maintain that the ONLY vowel in said example is [3], and that the "r" sound does not exist. This approach has worked fine with all my choirs.

Dean


On the contrary, "r" IS a vowel, the ONLY vowel in "girl," "bird," or "heard." (That is to say, since it's easy to get tangled up in semantics, it is a phonated sound that can be sustained.) The written vowels are effectively mute. It is a BETTER vowel (better sound quality) if it is formed by keeping the tongue low in the mouth and lifting the two outside edges up to touch the upper teeth, than if it is formed by raising the middle of the tongue to the soft palate, but it functions as a vowel, and if it quacks like a duck, etc., etc.

John


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Of all hoaxes, the one which is my most vexing bĂȘte noire on a quotidian basis, is the cereal box top which informs simply, "Lift Tab to Open." Then, "To Close, Insert Tab Here ." Yeah, right! In attempting to accomplish the first direction, not only the tab but also the slit intended to accept the aforementioned protuberance have both been irreparably disfigured and rendered dysfunctional. This debacle is then amplified by the misbehavior of the recalcitrant inner bag, which can not be unsealed sans mangling it, and hence, will not disperse its contents without exiting the box itself. All I wanted was a bowl of cereal.






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