Don Ellis? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean M. Estabrook Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:15 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Conducting in 12/8
Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties, who used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his first name was Don ..... Dean On May 2, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David W. Fenton >> Sent: 02 May 2007 22:43 >> To: finale@shsu.edu >> Subject: Re: [Finale] Conducting in 12/8 >> >> >> On 2 May 2007 at 17:04, Andrew Stiller wrote: >> >>> >>> On May 2, 2007, at 2:41 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I don't believe there is such a meter as 12 8ths to the >> measure. We >>>> have a meter called 12/8, but it's in 4, and notating in >> that meter >>>> implies certain things about the music. If those implications are >>>> inappropriate for the music you're writing, then don't >> use a meter >>>> that implies that. >>> >>> That's a little too rigid. I can easily imagine a contemporary >>> composer wishing to group, say, 3+2+3+4 eighth notes into a single >>> measure. >> >> But that's not TWELVE BEATS -- it's 4 beats of varying duration. >> >>> If the context included constantly changing meters, all >> with 8 on the >>> bottom, then a measure of 12/8 would not, IMO, >> automatically imply 4 >>> dotted Q to any educated musician. >> >> Beaming can take care of a lot of this, yes. >> >> But what was described in the post was 12 undifferentiated beats. At >> least, that was my understanding. >> >> And I say that such a thing does not exist in music played (or >> perceived) by human beings. >> >> -- >> David W. Fenton > > > Damn. I thought the bar before the Glorifcation de L'Eule in the Rite > was thirteen, but I checked the score and it's in fact eleven. So > maybe twelve is the absolute cut-off beyond which we can't conceive or > perceive of non-emphasised beats. (Wait, I just did perceive them in > my faulty memory, didn't I? ;) ) > > And maybe the What Would Igor Do rule is actually the one to follow - > changing ever bar between 3/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8 could indeed preserve the > fliudity of rhythm which seems to be required in this particular > situation. > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home >> Of all hoaxes, the one which is my most vexing bête noire on a >> quotidian basis, is the cereal box top which informs simply, >> "Lift Tab to Open." Then, "To Close, Insert Tab Here ." Yeah, right! >> In attempting to accomplish the first direction, not only the tab but >> also the slit intended to accept the aforementioned protuberance >> have both been irreparably disfigured and rendered dysfunctional. >> This debacle is then amplified by the misbehavior of the recalcitrant >> inner bag, which can not be unsealed sans mangling it, and hence, >> will not disperse its contents without exiting the box itself. All I >> wanted was a bowl of cereal. _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/785 - Release Date: 5/2/2007 2:16 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/785 - Release Date: 5/2/2007 2:16 PM _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
