Dean Estabrook wrote: <Actually, I believe Lenny swung both ways. But that's just begging the issue, I know.>
And Les replies: Well, sure he did. Which makes sense in light of the (alleged) exchange in which Lenny said to Ned Rorem: "The trouble with you and me, Ned, is that we want everyone in the world to personally love us, and of course that's impossible: you just don't meet everyone in the world...." Best, Les Les Marsden Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ahhhhh, Paradise!!! http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean M. Estabrook To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: John Cage's first national TV appearance (1960) On May 28, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: > > On May 26, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Phil Daley wrote: > > Snip > Whoa! Don't go off the deep end. First of all, notice the dates: I > was talking about those active in roughly the first half of the > 20th c., and not all of them. The best estimate I have seen as to > how many of those composers were gay is about 50%. Certainly one > does not have to strain to find examples: Copland, Thomson, Partch, > Cage, Cowell, Bernstein, Dean > Cage, Harrison, Rorem... > >> I cannot, for example, imagine any >> >American boy nowadays being denounced as a "fairy" because he played >> >the clarinet. >> >> But when did this change? >> >> I got that very comment in 1957. > > Several other people on this list insist I was wrong about this, so > maybe I am. But what I had in mind was a *gradual* shift, starting > in the 1960s and culminating in, say, 1985. > > I'm sure all the older Americans on this list will remember when > classical music used to be called "longhair music"--because of the > hairstyles of Liszt et al. This was a semi-pejorative, like > "egghead," that went away when pop musicians began wearing their > hair "shoulder length or longer"--but the important point is that > *nothing replaced it.* It is still possible, of course, for an > American to express disdain of classical music--but there's no pat > expression to do it with anymore. > > Andrew Stiller > Kallisti Music Press > http://www.kallistimusic.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home >> Of all hoaxes, the one which is my most vexing bête noire on a >> quotidian basis, is the cereal box top which informs simply, >> "Lift Tab to Open." Then, "To Close, Insert Tab Here ." Yeah, >> right! In attempting to accomplish the first direction, not only >> the tab but also the slit intended to accept the aforementioned >> protuberance have both been irreparably disfigured and rendered >> dysfunctional. This debacle is then amplified by the misbehavior >> of the recalcitrant inner bag, which can not be unsealed sans >> mangling it, and hence, will not disperse its contents without >> exiting the box itself. All I wanted was a bowl of cereal. _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
