BTW It doesn't take that long to work with score. There are menus to click and choose things like any other windows program but the keyboard is always quicker. I can issue a command "st 99 5" which will cycle through every slur on the page by pressing <enter> making changes as a go. Indeed using the st command you can cycle through each of Score parameters making changes without touching the mouse.

Also Score installs from one floppy disk. Makes you wonder the junk the other programs have since these days they install from a DVD.

Well, one main reason might be because the bulk of the programs is related to playback (sibelius 4 comes in a cd, which isn't by any means full - sib 5 comes in a dvd, mainly due to the sound sets, I think). Sibelius 3 was 30Mb big, and 5 goes up to 300mb without soundsets, I think. Of course, there are many things about score that don't get mentioned in these replies, like:

- no playback whatsoever (doesn't bother me personally, but I think many people expect/depend on that from a notation program) - display is ugly and out-of-date, you must use your imagination to look at grey, low-resolution graphics and imagine a beautifully prize-winning score. - you work only with the fonts the program brings, and print by loading them to a postscript printer (at least it was told me so by experienced scorers in their office). Or after having a batch of eps files for an x-page score (see next item), convert and join them to a pdf. - the program works like a plate-modelled system: if you have a score with 40 pages, you will have *one separate score file per page* (yes, you read it right), just like it happened if you would be working on copper plates. (Then add more x files for the parts to that). afaik there are plugins that remove one bar from one file to add it to the next one, make the printing easier, etc. etc., but that's still archaic. And scorers love it that way.


I find strange that for one hand scorers pledge for stability and really tight standards that only their program can offer - and yet they can't run their program nowadays with it being in a simulated environment, after tweaking lots of things in their system to get it working (including printing and midi capabilities) at standards from 10 years ago. Unfortunately the program doesn't seem to develop: for years the windows version has been announced as finished (only the documentation missing), and no one has ever saw a glimpse of it, even scorers are complaining about the lack of (promised) updates. I for one would like to try it, but I won't be wasting my time simulating an environment that isn't actual anymore for a program which I don't know yet if I can work with, so I would have to wait paciently for the new windows version.


Look at the websites for both Finale and Sibelius they only mention individual users and not major publishing houses. This is major opportunity that both Finale and Sibelius have failed to realise.

Look at http://www.sibelius.com/selection/index.html, was that what you were talking about?

Tradition might have a role in the importance of score around well-established publishing houses: as I guess, score was the only professional notation software around for years (starting in the 80s?), and it works in the same way that copper-plates do. So the people already working for publishers like that found a program that was built on their ways - and of course must be said, was well-enough developed to allow them a precise control of their outputs. And only the best and more traditional publishers (with already centuries of existence) could afford to have the workshops for copper plates in the first place, so they would prefer to choose a system that was a) the only one existing at the time, and b) was developed based on their maturelly-developed working methods. And that creates a stable working environment, which continued as of today - until due to technology developments they are really forced to modernise their software, and change to more actual softwares.
I'm making this up as I go, but it seems logical to me.

I don't know about Bärenreiter, but I know that Henle went from Score to Sibelius (and maybe finale): Joachim Linckelmann (the person in charge of the german version of sibelius and responsible for Notensatzdienst Freiburg, which you find many times in the previous list) worked on the font himself, as he reports in http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-music-german/message/4157 (yahoo german sibelius list, I guess you might have to be signed in and read german to understand it).


All this doesn't so much point to the strengths of Score but weaknesses in the other two and their inability to listen to needs of their customers.

that is true, both sib and fin are working more into nivelling everything by a sub-standard to get enough market share, as to really finding a definite solution. and with the competition getting more and more agressive, it doesn't look good for users who care about quality.
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