Christopher Smith wrote: > I am addressing the ghost problem first. You can set the shading of the > ghosts so that they are very, very faint; just enough so that you can see > them to identify them. Also, drag them off the BOTTOM of the page, not the > side, so they don't show on other pages.
How, exactly, do you set the shading of "hidden" items? I searched the online manual and found nothing about it. Besides, even in their faint state, the "hidden" expressions are *NOT* transparent! In fact, they are quite opaque and will completely cover up anything underneath them that was entered previously. I would be *very* surprised if making them very, very faint so that you could hardly see them would also somehow make them transparent. And dragging unwanted "hidden" expressions into some kind of off-page garbage heap seems awfully kludgy to me. > The rest can be done with right-click Show and Hide in the parts or score as > needed, with the override key as needed. It isn't really that long, even if > you have to do it four or five times. So it isn't a total rout. So the only other work-around is to manually edit the individual assignments for each and every single expression, as this cannot be done en masse by drag-selecting a group of expressions and selecting "Edit Assignment" from the context menu. In the situation I described it would be *MUCH* more labor-intensive than simply entering the expressions using staff lists, as can be done in Finale 2008. It seems obvious that the "old school" way of using multiple staff lists was far easier and more elegant in situations like this. I can't imagine how *anyone* could, in good conscience, defend MakeMusic's arbitrary and Sibelius-like decision to limit the number of staff lists to four in Finale 2009! Brian Williams Christopher Smith wrote: >> Jari Williamsson wrote: >> >>> Brian Williams wrote: >>> >>>> The main advantage of staff lists over drag-apply is that you can use them >>>> to display expressions differently in the score than in individual parts. >>>> >>> That can be done with drag-apply as well. >>> >>>> Here's an example I read about: let's say you want to put a "Repeat Til >>>> Cue" marking in the last measure of a short repeated section. You want it >>>> to appear correctly in the score and in parts that are playing, but you >>>> don't want it to break the multimeasure rest in parts that are resting. >>>> You could enter it in the last measure and use a staff list to only show it >>>> on the playing parts and score, and then enter it again in the first >>>> measure and use a different staff list to only show it in the resting parts >>>> so it won't break the multimeasure rests. Now, let's say you have several >>>> sections like this in a piece, and a different group of instruments are >>>> playing/ resting each time. You can see how the four staff list limit would >>>> be a problem. >>>> >>> The same thing can be done with drag-apply: drag-apply 2 sets of markings >>> and assign them differently. >>> >> >> So, please explain exactly how you would use drag-apply to enter the "Repeat >> til Cue" expression so that it only appears above the top staff of the score >> in the last measure of the repeated section, but also appears above the last >> measure of each of the parts who are playing in the last measure and no >> other parts, and how you would use drag-apply to enter another "Repeat til >> Cue" expression that does not appear in the score at all but only appears >> above the *first* measure of the parts that have a multimeasure rest in this >> repeated section (thereby not breaking the mm rest) - and do this four or >> five times in the same file with different groups of instruments >> playing/resting each time - and do it without having a bunch of faint >> "hidden" expressions cluttering up the score or dragged off the page and >> onto another page that can be seen with multi-page editing. >> >> Please Jari, enlighten us as to exactly how this could be done with only >> four staff lists! :-) >> > I am addressing the ghost problem first. You can set the shading of the > ghosts so that they are very, very faint; just enough so that you can see > them to identify them. Also, drag them off the BOTTOM of the page, not the > side, so they don't show on other pages. > > The rest can be done with right-click Show and Hide in the parts or score as > needed, with the override key as needed. It isn't really that long, even if > you have to do it four or five times. So it isn't a total rout. _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
