Some of these locations are evidently sacrosanct.

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On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:49 AM, "David H. Bailey" 
<dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com> wrote:

> On 8/21/2012 7:56 AM, Colin Broom wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I did know that, thanks, but I guess it bothers me that by default it 
>> takes up so much space. My bigger issue with it is that it's not especially 
>> intuitive. For example, one particular gripe is that depending on which tab 
>> is selected, the plugins button has different content, which makes things 
>> harder to find.
>> I guess as long as there's some kind of keyboard shortcuts such as offered 
>> by TG, it might be manageable, but I hope they don't go down the tabs route, 
>> as even with familiarity, I don't think it results in an advance in 
>> efficiency.
>> C.
>> 
> 
> I can't argue with you on any of the points you mention -- but a few 
> versions ago Finale restructured its menus and I find many of their 
> decisions just as unintuitive as any ribbon structure I've seen.  For 
> example, I've never understood why "show active layer only" was under 
> the "View" menu in Finale when it was really most useful while editing 
> and so my intuition always looked for it under the Edit menu.  But I 
> eventually got used to it, but now it's under the Document menu!  Well 
> practically everything in Finale works on the current Document, so why 
> didn't they put *everything* under the Document menu?  Why take 
> something that has to do with how someone *views* the music or how 
> someone *edits* the music and place it in a menu that to my "intuition" 
> would most likely be where the page margins and other layout issues 
> would be placed?  And why is "Transpose" under "Utilities" instead of 
> "Edit?"  And why is "respell notes" under "Utilities" while "Enharmonic 
> Spelling" is under "Edit?"  You don't edit the music with the entry 
> "Enharmonic Spelling" -- you tell the program how to interpret things. 
> So wouldn't that be a "Utility" or at the least a "Preference?"  While 
> actually respelling the notes is part of editing the music isn't it? 
> Why is "Save Preferences" under "File" while the actual defining of the 
> preferences is under the "Edit" menu?  Shouldn't everything that 
> pertains to "Preferences" be together?
> 
> I don't expect any answers to my questions because there is no 
> justification for placing those (and other) menu items where they are in 
> Finale that I can see.  But obviously someone found great justification 
> for making those decisions.  I don't find the Finale menus any less 
> confusing that the Sibelius ribbon, and ultimately things become 
> comfortable once we start using them regularly.  So I rarely am using 
> the "Find in Ribbon" feature of Sibelius these days, but I sure could 
> use one for Finale, which they very conveniently didn't include.  I 
> would think that would be a utility that everybody who uses new versions 
> of Finale could benefit from, yet it's not under the "Utilities" menu 
> and not under any other menu either.
> 
> Ultimately one person's "wow, that is so intuitive!" is another person's 
> "holy cow, why on earth would they hide that entry under that heading, 
> it makes no sense whatsoever?!"
> 
> One great benefit of Sibelius, which I hope Finale will someday 
> institute natively, not requiring a plug-in, is the ability of a user to 
> define their own keyboard shortcuts, so the entire interface practically 
> can be turned into keyboard shortcuts.
> 
> 
> -- 
> David H. Bailey
> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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