I'm late to the party, but Jim Williams seems to have it worked out correctly.
I gather that in the young days of complex chord symbols, some arrangers were still mixing in elements of figured bass, where the notes in a chord took on the accidental from the KEY they were in, instead of calculated as a fixed interval above the bass note/root. I've taken note of these to show to my students, as there is no telling what you might come across in the Wild West of chord symbols. Monk and his peers are well-documented as calling a m5(b5) or "half-diminished" chord "a minor chord with the sixth in the bass". While it seems odd to us, it DOES tend to encourage the player to use a certain chord scale. I would definitely edit these to modern (and consistent!) standards, in case you were still in doubt. Christopher On Wed Dec 26, at WednesdayDec 26 1:12 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: > Sure...glad to help. > I see some logic to it now--in D9(flat), the flat 9 is indeed flat--e flat. > For E9(natural), the flat 9 is F natural. > Still odd. ;-0 > > Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:03 AM, "dershem" <ders...@cox.net> wrote: > >> On 12/25/2012 9:54 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: >>> Yeah...interesting indeed. Never seen that before. >>> You've described the chords correctly as 7(b9), so why not go with what the >>> parts are saying? >>> Jim >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. >> >> Thanks, Jim. I appreciate the feedback. It's always useful to have a >> second opinion. >> >> cd >> >>> On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:49 AM, "dershem" <ders...@cox.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/25/2012 9:09 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: >>>>> What do the parts tell you? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. >>>> >>>> First one is a D9 - D, F#, A, C, Eb. D7(b9)? >>>> Second is an E9 - E, G#, B, D, F E7(b9)? >>>> >>>> Both have that b7, b9, but both have M3, so not minor 9 chords. >>>> >>>> Interesting notation, eh? >>>> >>>>> On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, "Don Hart" <donhartmu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the >>>>>> 7th >>>>>> is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each >>>>>> chord. >>>>>> Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem <ders...@cox.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy >>>>>>> in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord >>>>>>> markings that are new to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Measure 1 is D9(flat) >>>>>>> Measure 6 is E9(natural) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be >>>>>>> marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carl >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> http://projectselene.com >> >> -- >> http://projectselene.com >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
