Wow, Darcy. Your experience is utterly different than mine. My experience is that bassoonists, cellists, even bassists, and *especially* trombonists of all ages read tenor clef with complete facility and without the first hint of complaint. Trombonists also read alto clef. Could this be the difference between jazz band and orchestral worlds, I wonder.
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Darcy James Argue <djar...@icloud.com>wrote: > My experience is that bassoonists, trombonists, cellists, and pretty much > all non-violists under the age of 40 detest C clefs. In new music, at > least, amongst younger players there is a very strong preference for ledger > lines above the staff (up to 4) or, for extended extreme high-register > passages, treble clef. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > ----- > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Some bass players detest tenor clef. I have seen reviews in a bass > > journal that said something like 'the much-feared tenor clef' > > appearing in a piece that was being reviewed. > > > > > > Raymond Horton > > Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC > > Composer, Arranger > > VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Chuck Israels <cisra...@comcast.net> > wrote: > >> I see treble clef more often than tenor clef for high notes in bass > parts. At least that has been my experience in recent years. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:46 AM, Jan Angermüller <j...@angermueller.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Darcy, > >>> > >>> use a mid-measure clef and then assign > >>> a playback expression to the first note in the new clef > >>> that sets transposition to whatever you need (0, -12, 12). > >>> Repeat the same when switching back to bass clef. > >>> > >>> But do you really need to change the transposition ? > >>> In standard contrabass notation the treble clef > >>> is also read as 8vb, just like the bass clef. > >>> So if you assign a standard bass clef (without 8vb) > >>> and a standard treble clef (without 8vb) and set the > >>> transposition settings in score manager to "Down octave". > >>> Everything should be clear for the bass player and > >>> you don't need any manual transposition changes. > >>> > >>> Using an 8vb bass clef and a treble clef without 8vb, > >>> but that playsback as 8vb, seems inconsistent to me > >>> and also not clear for the bass player. > >>> > >>> And last but not least, treble clefs rarely appear in > >>> contrabass notation. Usually the tenor clef is used > >>> for high notes. Only the highest flageoletts or > >>> Bottesini style arpeggios are usually written in treble clef. > >>> > >>> Hope this helps. > >>> > >>> Jan > >>> > >>> Am 13.04.2014 08:08, schrieb Darcy James Argue: > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I'm working with a score in concert pitch, where the contrabasses are > notated with the 8vb bass clef in the score, but a regular bass clef (as > usual) in the part. This is all fine and well and easy to set up in the > Score Manger (with a transposition and Set To Clef). > >>>> > >>>> The problem arises when you need to change clefs to an 8vb treble > clef in the score, showing as a regular treble clef in the part, and this > clef change occurs mid-measure. In Finale 2011 in older, you could simply > apply a staff style with the same transposition but Set To Clef assigned to > treble clef -- but Fin2012 and 2014 won't allow you to apply a transposing > staff style to a partial measure. > >>>> > >>>> Given that, what is the best workaround? There is one I can think of > involving clefs as expressions but I'd prefer to avoid going down that > rabbit hole if I can avoid it. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> - DJA > >>>> ----- > >>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Finale mailing list > >>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >>>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
