To all you professional musicians, a very large number of Finale users are NOT professional musicians. I do quite a bit of notation for non-professional singers. They really appreciate the courtesy accidentals (by the way, I have a good friend who sincerely believes they should be called "intentionals" rather than "accidentals".) Many of you regard the time you spent learning to be a "professional musician" entitles you to be more than a little proud. Does it really entitle you to look down your nose at an amateur who may have worked just as hard to learn the rudiments of music without ever getting a single dollar to show for it? Please don't take this note as an insult; I really appreciate all the comments from this group. John Witmer Clemson Downs Retirement Community
On 12/9/2016 12:25:00 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com> wrote: some of you folks need to buy a sense of humor! Raymond Horton Composer, Arranger Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016 On Dec 9, 2016 9:38 AM, "Christopher Smith" wrote: > I don’t use parenthesized courtesy accidentals any more, either, because > of lack of legibility. Yet, even a non-parenthesized one is kind of a > confirmation of “yes this note is meant” since it would otherwise be > superfluous. > > I guess all I’m saying is we’re writing for humans, not a rigorous, > all-seeing machine. I see no problem with notating that way. I learned that > partly from you! > > C > > > > On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:24 AM, SN jef chippewa > shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> On issues of notation, I always take everything jef says as if it was > gospel. > > > > are you sure that is a good idea? ;-) > > > > Yes. No winky-face. > > > > for new music i never use parentheses for accis. > > if there is a need, i put the full-size acci; i > > don't work with key sigs so very very rarely ever > > encounter a case where it could be useful. my > > fonts include them (accis + parentheses) but only > > because i know this is standard in classical and > > jazz notation. > > > > sure, there is no system that is failproof but i aim towards it... > > > > > >> However, a parenthesized courtesy accidental is > >> a prime example of a notation saying ³this is > >> not a typo² and a non-parenthesized one is > >> similar. I sometimes put the eyeglasses glyph > >> over a passage that is likely to make musicians > >> look twice, in order to make them look twice and > >> improve the chances that they will perform it > >> correctly (this is jazz notation). I think there > >> are notations that are more authoritarian and > >> less authoritarian. jef, you must deal with > >> degrees of aleatoric-ness all the time, no? > >> > >> Christopher > >> > >> > >>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 7:17 AM, SN jef chippewa > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> this issue of apologetic notation is one i come > >>> across often, more commonly in north america but > >>> also in europe. i can't speak for jazz > >>> charts/musicians, but if you are working with > >>> professional musicians, you MUST take it for > >>> granted they know what the hell a bartók pizz is, > >>> or a quarter tone. > >>> > >>> no musician working professionally today and > >>> playing new music can justify ignorance of these > >>> (and a host of other) basic things. > >>> > >>> what happens when the composer notates everything > >>> is that the musician has to read a novel to > >>> discover the one thing that is unique or special > >>> to the composer/notation and given some don't > >>> read the legend anyways (!) you are making it > >>> even more likely your notation explanations won't > >>> get read. at least until after the rehearsals > >>> without the composer present. > >>> > >>> when you overannotate you can also come across as > >>> condescending to musicians who know what the hell > >>> a bartók pizz is. again, if they know it and see > >>> it in your legend, they can easily assume they > >>> don't need to read any further because you have > >>> written a score for newbies or high school bands, > >>> which you should NEVER do. > >>> > >>> if the musicians you are working with are > >>> inexperienced (for whatever reason) provide them > >>> with a glossary of terms as a separate sheet, but > >>> prepare a professional score, with only the > >>> ESSENTIAL information in it. a win-win > >>> situation: whoever needs the supplement can read > >>> it, whoever doesn't can make a paper plane out of > >>> it to throw at the composer during the dress > >>> rehearsal (i know someone this happened to...). > >>> > >>> side note: scans of fingerings from published > >>> texts should NEVER be included in your score, > >>> that is a copyright infringement. this is the > >>> kind of thing that can be sent as a separate > >>> sheet (along with your glossary, for example). > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation > >>> http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html > >>> > >>> shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com > >>> new music notation + arts management + translation > >>> [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] > http://twitter.com/neueweise > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > mailman/listinfo/finale> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > > > > -- > > > > neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation > > http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html > fonts.html> > > > > shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com > http://newmusicnotation.com/> > > new music notation + arts management + translation > > [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | > [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > mailman/listinfo/finale> > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
