I've had an HP5000 since 2001 and have printed much music with it.  Years ago I 
tried the duplexer for it, but found it to be unreliable, at least with the 
heavyweight paper I use.

I kept my eye on the large format laser printer market for a long time, and 2+ 
years ago finally bit the bullet and bought a HP M712DN (1200dpi) at a huge 
discount.  This machine has been an absolute dream.  The duplexer is 100% 
reliable; I have never had a paper jam or misfeed the entire time I've owned 
it.  I use it exclusively to print music, and keep heavyweight letter and 11x17 
paper in its two paper trays.  It's 4-5x faster than the LJ5000, and has saved 
me innumerable hours printing orchestral parts and scores.  With the HP5000 I 
had to manually feed the flip side of duplexed pages to avoid paper jams, 
requiring my constant attention throughout a large print job; but with the 
M712DN I can send it as many print jobs as needed and immediately get back to 
what I was doing, letting the printer churn away until it's done.  There's 
still the folding/stapling/trimming/binding etc. to produce finished sheet 
music, but my time involved with the actual printing has been reduced by as 
much as 95%.

The main downside to the M712DN is that it is quite large, and weighs 85 lbs.; 
definitely a 2-person job to pick it up and move it around.  But it's the 
biggest productivity enhancement I've encountered since engraving software.

-Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dfr...@smcm.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 11:56 AM
To: <finale@shsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Finale] printing advice

Dear Chuck and Robert,

Thank you! All I needed to do was to ask the printer preferences to find and 
add the HP5000 printer again (IP address from the printer’s info page). I 
should have figured this out on my own. For some reason, this was vastly easier 
than the initial time I was forced to print over IP (at the point when 
appletalk disappeared from macs). And that first IP connection has survived 
through at least 3 machine and many system upgrades.

What a great machine! Still going after all these years. 1200 dpi, or 600 dpi 
at super speed, long-lasting printer cartridges (shockingly, still available as 
OEM). Granted, I don’t use it very heavily, but still, it is, by far, the 
oldest technology in my house. 25 years old sounds about right.

David

Chuck Israels wrote:
> Dear David,
> 
> This is exactly the setup I have (iMac - not Macbook) ? the printer must be 
> 25 years old!
> 
> In my case, this has happened and removing the printer and adding it again in 
> the System Preferences/printer setup has solved the problem. I think the Mac 
> loses th IP address and sometimes generates another new one. I don?t think it 
> has to do with the particular OS you are using.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I?ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works 
>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in 
>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>> 
>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last 
>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>> 
>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the 
>> same problem and has a solution?
>> 
>> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer that 
>> can print up to 12x18?
>> 
>> Hoping for help!
>> 
>> David Froom: text/plain; charset="UTF-8”

and Robert Patterson wrote:
> 
> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
> further suggestions.
> 
> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
> still might work.
> 
> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
> job.
> 
> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
> 
> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
> almost no additional cost.
> 
and Chuck Israels wrote:
> 
> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don?t remember where that is, but 
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information?.  
> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn?t find it 
> automatically.
> 
> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> 
> For B&W large format ? others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
> using the HP.
> 
> Chuck


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