Alexander Hansen wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:35 AM, M. Singh wrote:
> 
> 
> <snip material covered in Martin's message>
> 
>>>> Second - is it possible to tell fink installation to use the  
>>>> existing
>>>> MacTeX 2008 install of texlive instead of installing tetex-texmf ?
>>>> Don't
>>>> want to waste disk space.
>>>>
>>> Not currently.  We found that the upstream TeX packagers liked to
>>> change things around and break our placeholder packages.
>> Is there any estimated time frame when this might be done ?
> 
> There may well not be a placeholder package, ever.

Ok :(

> 
>> The project
>> can insist on users installing the full 1.15GB MacTeX 2008 package
>> (which is pretty static) if you want
> 
> We've got enough problems dealing with stuff from Apple, so making  
> provisions for yet another third-party vendor.  Moreover, since MacTeX  
> insists on installing a boatload of other stuff, like ghostscript and  
> imagemagick, in /usr/local, that would just be inviting trouble for us.
> 

Ok. BasicTeX then (which is a suitable static subset of MacTeX) ? To the 
best of my knowledge (at least as of 2-3 days ago), it does not contain 
the extra tools you mentioned.

>> - this dependence on an
>> unmaintained, large, separate piece of code, which offers users  
>> nothing,
>> and will cause problems in a few months (as texlive diverges more and
>> more from it), is a major problem. I am deploying a custom Mac
>> configuration with the tools I need on an old notebook with limited  
>> disk
>> space, and wasting space on something like this, for which I see no
>> cogent reason, appears criminal to me.
>>
> 
> We'll send you a refund. ;-)
> 

Received it. Thanks !

> But, in all seriousness, my understanding is that texlive,  
> historically, had set their installation up in such a way as to be  
> nontrivial to package in a managed setting; particularly one with as  
> limited of personnel resources as we have.   One of our maintainers is  
> looking into packaging TeXLive for fink, but it hasn't been done yet.

Ok. Debian/Ubuntu etc., which have far more maintainers than fink does, 
have done this quite successfully for over a year. I have no packaging 
experience of any sort, otherwise I would volunteer.

> 
> I've been lobbying to just remove any tetex dependency from packages  
> that can be configured at run time for different TeX engines--I've  
> done this in my own packaging of LyX.
> 
>> I do not presume to criticize the work, which is splendid in itself,  
>> and
>> made the thought of using Mac on a notebook less daunting, but I find
>> this aspect of this business a little surprising.


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