I think with respect to being part of the default install, they're not
playing catchup any more (although I agree that they're playing
catchup in terms of features and usability). Unfortunately your point
about shipping the debugger with the browser otherwise no-one will use
it applies to firefox/firebug as equally as it does others.

 - Ben

On Mar 26, 1:43 pm, johnjbarton <[email protected]> wrote:
> IE8 and Safari are playing catch up, so I guess the have to ship the
> debugger with their browser. Otherwise no one would use their
> debugger.
>
> jjb
>
> On Mar 25, 6:03 pm, Ben Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me why Firebug isn't part of Firefox's core
> > installation?
>
> > It does seem like an area that Firefox is genuinely falling behind.
> > IE8 has their debugger as (as far as I know) a non-optional part of
> > the browser now. Safari 4 beta has similar tools in their default
> > install (thought it's not out of beta yet). I believe Chrome has
> > similar tools as well in their default install.
>
> > Yet Firefox relies on a third-party extension?
>
> > I consider firebug to be a completely essential part of the firefox
> > experience, and in my opinion, making firefox so developer-friendly
> > has been a decent factor in its current popularity.
>
> > Yet it ships without web debugging tools?
>
> > It just seems funny to me.
>
> > Maybe the move to version numbers that match firefox (http://
> > blog.getfirebug.com/?p=109) is a start in this direction.
>
> >  - Ben
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