I guess the number of developers using Firefox but not using Firebug
solely because it's not installed is very low. And the extra effort
and potential impact on non-developers would be a distraction.  But in
any case you're talking to the wrong folks here, we don't assemble and
distribute Firefox.

jjb

On Mar 25, 10:28 pm, Ben Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think with respect to being part of the default install, they're not
> playing catchup any more (although I agree that they're playing
> catchup in terms of features and usability). Unfortunately your point
> about shipping the debugger with the browser otherwise no-one will use
> it applies to firefox/firebug as equally as it does others.
>
>  - Ben
>
> On Mar 26, 1:43 pm, johnjbarton <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > IE8 and Safari are playing catch up, so I guess the have to ship the
> > debugger with their browser. Otherwise no one would use their
> > debugger.
>
> > jjb
>
> > On Mar 25, 6:03 pm, Ben Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Can anyone tell me why Firebug isn't part of Firefox's core
> > > installation?
>
> > > It does seem like an area that Firefox is genuinely falling behind.
> > > IE8 has their debugger as (as far as I know) a non-optional part of
> > > the browser now. Safari 4 beta has similar tools in their default
> > > install (thought it's not out of beta yet). I believe Chrome has
> > > similar tools as well in their default install.
>
> > > Yet Firefox relies on a third-party extension?
>
> > > I consider firebug to be a completely essential part of the firefox
> > > experience, and in my opinion, making firefox so developer-friendly
> > > has been a decent factor in its current popularity.
>
> > > Yet it ships without web debugging tools?
>
> > > It just seems funny to me.
>
> > > Maybe the move to version numbers that match firefox (http://
> > > blog.getfirebug.com/?p=109) is a start in this direction.
>
> > >  - Ben
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