ahh... that makes sense.   A bad product with a cool icon is better
than a great product with an uncool icon?   Is that from Marketing
101?

On Jul 1, 10:46 am, Kirby <ki...@wallaceinfo.com> wrote:
> Dude... (or is that Dr. Dude?)...  I didn't say anything about
> changing the name of the product.  I suggeted making a change to the
> icon.
>
> Put some flames on it.   If you made them blue flames, it could be a
> vodka soaked cockroach on fire.  Now THAT would be cool!
>
> But right now, when FF opens, the first thing you think is, "ugh, a
> roach"...  "How do you know it's a roach?"  "It looks like one!"   ;-)
>
> BTW - I took a gander at that wiki page you mentioned.  The icon
> doesn't even look like a firebug at all.  It looks like a lightning
> bug.  A firebug is slightly more pear shaped, is bright orange/red,
> with a black triangle and two black circles...  at least on the wiki
> page you sent.  But it does look quite similar to a lightning bug
> which has the right shape, color, and striations.
>
> But all that is besides the point.  The point is, if you are going to
> go for market penetration, you need something eye-catching and kick-
> ass in the eye-candy department.  The last thing you want to associate
> the name with is The Primordial Feeling Of "Eeew!"
>
> BTW - did I mention just how cool the product itself actually IS?  ;-)
>
> Kirby L. Wallace
>
> On Jul 1, 10:29 am, johnjbarton <johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com> wrote:
>
> > Kirby what are you talking about here? You think our icon looks like
> > an insect you are familiar with. Fine. The name of our project is
> > Firebug. Some graphics guy made a cool icon of what he thought a
> > Firebug looked like. Turns out there is a real  insect called a
> > Firebug and it looks pretty close to the icon. That's all there is to
> > it.  What do you want? You want us to change the name of the project
> > to Firefly because you have a phobia about an insect that looks like
> > our icon? Talk about lalalalala.
>
> > jjb
>
> > On Jul 1, 8:08 am, Kirby <ki...@wallaceinfo.com> wrote:
>
> > > This kind of snobishness is exactly the reason why I hate hanging
> > > around with open source people.
>
> > > The icon is a marketing nightmare.  It sucks.
>
> > > The answer isn't to at first contradict anyone who brings it up, and
> > > then follow up by sticking your fingers in your ear, saying "lalalala
> > > I can't hear you".
>
> > > This is pretty much why Mickey-softs inferior products, inferior
> > > though they certainly are, yet control the market.  Because people CAN
> > > actually use them and the community there is actually helpful and
> > > LISTENS TO USER INPUT without a holier than thou attitude.
>
> > > On Jul 1, 9:45 am, johnjbarton <johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Ok, fine it looks like a cockroach.  It's "web development evolved",
> > > > not "Entomology in web design". Or even "Etymology in newsgroup
> > > > postings" ;-)
>
> > > > jjb
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 7:33 am, Kirby <ki...@wallaceinfo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yeah... so you said.
>
> > > > > Looks like a cockroach.
>
> > > > > "Contradiction isn't argument.  Contradiction is just the automatic
> > > > > gainsaying of anything the other person says.  It isn't just saying
> > > > > 'no it isn't'."  "Yes it is."  "NO IT ISN'T...."
>
> > > > > On Jul 1, 9:27 am, johnjbarton <johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Firebugs are not roaches nor are they 
> > > > > > fireflys:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebug
>
> > > > > > jjb
>
> > > > > > On Jul 1, 7:16 am, Kirby <ki...@wallaceinfo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Firebug is really a quantum leap forward for us web developers.  
> > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > that firebug looks like a roach.  And I live in Florida, so I 
> > > > > > > know all
> > > > > > > too well what both lightning bugs (firebugs) and roaches looks 
> > > > > > > like.
>
> > > > > > > This is a roach.
>
> > > > > > > Any chance someone might take, oh... four minutes and change it a
> > > > > > > bit.
>
> > > > > > > Put some flames on it.  Then, if it absolutely must look like a 
> > > > > > > roach,
> > > > > > > it will look  like a roach on fire... And that'd be way cool all 
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > itself!
>
> > > > > > > Kirby L. Wallace
> > > > > > > (who now resides in Oklahoma - and yes, there are roaches here 
> > > > > > > too).- Hide quoted text -
>
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