Ok, here's an alternate suggestion (just some art fixes, really):

Place a minimize button (horizontal bar) and an x (close) button in
the upper right hand corner - more consistent with the way most OS's
work.  Minimize would keep it active, whereas the x would close it
(turning it off for this website).   So you're basically swapping the
down arrow with a minimize icon, and the off button with an x icon.
I'd also move the 'open in new window' button to the left of the other
two buttons, and change it to a different icon.


On Aug 18, 9:36 pm, johnjbarton <johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 9:11 pm, Scott Shumaker <sshuma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've installed the latest firebug (1.5a21).   I think I finally
> > understand it's behavior, now that the annotation bug is fixed.  But
> > the UI is really weird.
>
> > First off, you have to make sure that NEITHER 'on for all webpages'
> > NOR 'off for all webpages' is checked.  Yes, checking one unchecks the
> > other, but you can uncheck both, too.
>
> Yes, uncheck both.
>
>
>
> > Secondly, you'll notice that if you click the little bug in the lower
> > right hand corner of the status bur when it's greyed out, will turn it
> > on and expand the firebug window.  However, clicking the bug again
> > will only minimize it, not turn it off.  Yes, it's a bad design
> > practice.  But bear with me.
>
> Of course I don't agree. Because the common use model, as has been
> repeated over and over and over again here, is to open firebug, then
> repeat cycles of minimize, open, minimize, open.  This pattern has
> been always been true of Firebug and across different kinds of users.
> That is why the Status bar icon works the way it does. If it activated
> firebug on one click, then deactivated on the next click, that would
> wire the uncommon case to the button.
>
> I agree that this behavior is slightly unexpected, but once you try
> it, I guess you may agree that it does make sense.
>
>
>
> > When you click the bug, you've enabled firebug for that domain, as far
> > as I can tell.  If you want to turn it off, you need to click the
> > little 'off' button you can see once it's expanded.
>
> Yes, by design. That way you have to really want to turn Firebug off,
> not accidentally by clicking the status bar icon a second time.
>
> (This is the root of many discussions on this group because unknown to
> us some users operate like this:
>    Status bar On, Minimize icon [_], statusbar open, Minimize [_], ...
> In 1.4 we changed these icons and moved the minimize to the left two
> places, and to add insult to the damage, we put the Off button in the
> position of the old minimize. These users were (are) quite unhappy
> because they use this sequence a lot and find that they hit Off by
> accident).
>
>
>
> > One additional weirdness - if you change tabs, firebug stays open, but
> > it's still really attached to the first tab.  This can often confuse
> > you into thinking you're debugging some other tab, but you're not.
>
> This is incorrect behavior. It does not happen for us. Unfortunately
> the only way we have of resolving this is to ask for a test case, ask
> you to trace your install, or ask you to install Firebug in a new
> Firefox profile (which will fix your problem).
>
> jjb...
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