On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, John Wiltshire wrote:

> Telnet generally isn't the best solution (password sniffing and other
> mischief) - why not use a VPN connection?  Then all your tools work just
> fine.

One-time two-factor password schemes with telnet work just fine as long 
as you're monitoring for session hijacking attempts.  VPN solutions are a 
flawed answer when you don't trust the host or network you're coming in from.  

There's no enforcement of the encryption boundary on an untrusted OS or 
network.  VPNs also introduce a lot more code to the solution, which means 
carrying around a lot more gear.  VPNs are a good solution if you trust the 
remote OS, machine and network and have a reasonable assurance in the VPN 
software and key handling protocol.  IOW, they're a substitute for 
leased-lines in some environments where the extra risk isn't significantly 
disuasive.  For most other things the security model is "not quite there."

> > GUIs are nice but rotten for remote administration unless you 
> > tote along
> > your own environment which I don't find desirable, especially 
> > when you don't
> > anticipate getting called.
> 
> I've never had a problem.

I've traveled with luggables, laptops, palmtops, notebooks and sub-notebooks.  
The ability to get in and out of a network via remote dial from a Palm Pilot 
makes a *huge* difference to how lightly you can travel.  It also saves time 
getting through airport security when you're taking commercial flights. 
 Lastly, it means you don't have to worry as much about losing the device 
since there's generally not much data resident on it.

I can do 99.99% of my infrastructure job from a vt100 terminal attached 
to the console port of a router.  At 3am from a hotel room when you just 
discovered that your laptop screen was crushed in overhead, being able to 
telnet around from a borrowed or backup organizer is a *huge* difference.

For that matter, being able to hook the Pilot's serial port up to the 
laptop and still use the machine is a win you can't get from a GUI-centric 
environment.  My laptop screen died just that death on the way to Interop 
last year.  I could still copy my presentation to floppy diskette, play 
with some source code I was interested in at the time, and even use the 
keyboard for input and the Pilot for output.

There's a huge difference in functionality during "normal times" and when 
you're in an emergency situation or things aren't going your way.  When I 
need to get creative, I want to have the tools to do so, and a command 
line gives that.  Access to the command line then becomes the difference 
between "fixed" and "still broken" or "primary person fixes it" and 
"whoever's actually present, clue or not has a go at it."

In an ideal world, remote administration would never be necessary.  In 
general for me it's a very rare occurance.  When I absolutely need to 
react to something though, I can.  Those times tend to be the ones that 
really make a difference.  

I work for a very large corporation.  We have lots of NT, a small ammount of 
Unix and a good number of minicomputers.  I get to watch and participate in 
the differences in management, tools and problem solving ability every single 
day.  I find it amusing to watch administrators who can't predict or 
verify the behaviour of their systems in certain circumstances.  When 
everything's running well, it's not a bad thing for the tasks we use it 
for.  When it isn't, NT is a complete bear to wrestle with.    

Obviously, YMMV.


Paul
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