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On 26 Jul 99, at 0:41, Joel Gridley wrote:
> MCI = Telephone company.
> Who is Cable & Wireless?
>
> I run into the similar problems you bring up with my mechanic. Do I then
> tell people not to use a car? No. To do so would be ludicrious and would
> actually be an uneducated knee-jerk reaction.
Completely off, my friend - you have no clue when it comes to
"metaphorical" aspects ... from what I said one should understand
that I do NOT promote "walking" instead of "using cars", but
"maintaining" the "car" yourself (if one can, or is willing to do that,
up to whatever point he/she is capable), rather than bringing it to a
"mechanic" ... oh, well, you are one of the third parties, so ... sorry
about that.
> There are very good third party bastion host management services out
> there. The trick is to wade through the charlatans who have just gotten
> into the business.
Are you suggesting that C&W is one of the "charlatans"? How
would one determine that, when all the magazines are full of
articles about them? Only experiences like mine would enlighten
people ... I hope.
> I may be prejudiced working where I do, but I hope my argument manages to
> be inpartial, and does not show that I actually do for a living what you
> happen to be villianizing.
You certainly are prejudiced ... leave others with the right to
their opinion (like myself), without jumping all over the place with
statements like "uneducated knee-jerk reaction" ... it won't
definitely help your company (if you speak for them, which certainly
looke like), if one thinks of people on this list as potential
customers ... besides the fact that I am pretty sure you prove
you're missing some "education", with statements like yours ...
> Joel Gridley
> Site Patrol/Firewall Specialist "Be the packet"
> GTE Internetworking, "Powered by BBN"
> Burlington, MA
>
> On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On 25 Jul 99, at 8:41, Magowan, Richard M. (ITS) wrote:
> >
> > > My company has grown rather quickly through merger activity and I find
> > > myself having to upgrade my Internet service to include multiple sites. I do
> > > not have the staff to properly manage and monitor the firewall environment
> > > at the remote sites, hell I don't even have the time to properly watch the
> > > one I've got! Anyway, I am evaluating SAVVIS as our possible new ISP with
> > > the intent to have them manage the firewall environment for a year or so.
> > > Checkpoint (Unix) will be the firewall supported. Questions:
> > > Anybody ever used this kind of service?
> > > Anybody ever used this service from SAVVIS? Anybody used SAVVIS for ISP. As
> > > for FW management, with the Checkpoint console is it practical to manage the
> > > remote devices centrally (must be since ISPs all do this - right?). How
> > > "safe" is managed services. Some will say trust no one but I've got to be
> > > practical with 15,000 users and 150 sites to manage and management that
> > > seems to thinks of the firewall in terms of an appliance. Any insight is
> > > greatly appreciated. Thank You.
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> > If you can, DO NOT USE A THIRD PARTY - rather train and do
> > it yourself. I inhereted an MCI - then Cable and Wireless firewall
> > management service, and I DO NOT KNOW WHAT I AM PAYING
> > THEM $5,300 / month for !!!!. At least since C&W took over from
> > MCI - it's been a NIGHTMARE!!! - wrong bills, no response to
> > service, no calls back from their Sales people - I am seriously
> > looking into legal stuff against them, believe it or not!!! I ended up
> > taking a class in Checkpoint myself, just to get a flavor of what this
> > firewall specific implemntation does, I will probably look also into
> > Raptor and Altavista ones, and then - shall the BEST win - will
> > bring the whole management in-house! Using a service nowadays
> > is HORRIBLE!!!. At least that's my own experience ...
> > Good luck, anyway,
> > Stefan
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