1. You don't have to install the client if all you're
   going to be proxying is HTTP.

2. Installing the client can actually be a security
   ADVANTAGE in particular situations.

3. I have no idea what you're talkin about wrt "too
   much babysitting".  My MSP 2.0 server just runs.
   Period.

4. Compare the cost of implementing MSP2.0 for
   150 clients, against doing the same with Firewall-1
   for a WinTel environment.


All in all, if the initial respondant is looking for a solution to provide
managed internet access for Wintel systems on his LAN, then I can
wholeheartedly recommend MSP 2.0.  Hell, download the trial version and try
it out free before purchasing...


Brian Steele


----- Original Message -----
From: Carric Dooley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Roberto Sixtos Auces <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 30 July, 1999 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Reviews of Proxy 2 and Bordermanager


> I too have experience with both.  I tend to avoid them when possible.
> Neither company is  network security company.  Leave firewalls to the
> firewall folks.  I have not worked directly with BM 3.0, but 2.0 is a
> screening router with 1 application proxy.  I was amazed at how many
> patches would break things fixed in previous patches (or things there
> never were broken).  It's cacheing speed is nice, but again, I would not
> consider it a real firewall.  We had stability problems as well.
>
> MS Proxy is even less appealing to me.  I don't like the idea of having to
> install a client on all machines on my network just so they can do more
> than http.  I also don't care for the way Proxy sits on IIS, sits on NT.
> ONe component breaks and you get a house of cards effect.  Even when
> running this at small sites it requires too much damned baby sitting.
>
> Go with FireWall-1 on a Nokia box.  You won't regret it.  =)
>
> Carric Dooley
> COM2:Interactive Media
> http://www.com2usa.com


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