Let's get back on topic here.. I tried to prevent this thread from going 
down the path of the hiring process. Regardless of the fact, it is 
consultant's market out there.  For some of us, it is what we bring to the 
table and how an organization can maximize their ROI on that person.  But 
that is other discussion on drive, philosophy and such, that I don't want 
to go into.

I was a NOC monkey and sys admin for a long time, and I really enjoyed the 
fast pace thrill of ripping a Telco provider apart or answering 15 lines at 
once, resetting 50 or so routers at once after a OC-3 routing flap.  Hey, 
but that was a long time ago.

Online Security Service are promoting the fact, that business can't hire 
the staff, or retain them long enough to ensure that all the security 
vulnerabilities are being addressed.  So therefore, aren't the online 
security services having the same problem hiring qualified help??

/mark

At 01:35 PM 8/22/00 -0400, J Weismann wrote:

>Actually chief, I just interviewed for a job in a NOC center in Boston 
>monitoring firewall trafic and data coming in and out of web servers, F5 
>load balancers, routers, etc.  Seems to me that although I got a CCNA and 
>some Raptor XP, they still want me even though I don't know Checkpoint or 
>Unix. It truly is all about the interview and sadly how well you can 
>convince them of your skills. I am not saying my skills are subpar, or 
>that I won't learn anything new, just that with so few people willing to 
>jump into network monitoring and/or security, some companies will hire on 
>whomever that can meet some of their critera. It truly is a buyers market 
>out there for people who are hungry to learn.  They were going to pay for 
>my CCIE training even though it could run upwards of 15k or more.
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>In conclusion, check with past and current customers of the service 
>provider to see how they fare. If they don't provide you with numbers with 
>some, I would not go with them. Most folk in the industry will gladly tell 
>you of those that are happy with them and the service they provide...
>
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>"Layer 4 and up is for End Users"
>                                 -Anonymous CCNA
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>>      Regardless of how they store the information on your network there
>>still needs to be some access granted.  A company like this would have to
>>have a pretty stringent hiring process and background check at the minimum
>>as well as good logging of who accesses client company information.  I
>>suspect that they could be held liable if information they have on your
>>network is used to break into your network.  I thought NetworkICE offered
>>those type of services as well as their Intrusion Detection products.  If
>>not it would be a good field for you guys to get into.  You could progress
>>from vendor support to installs to intrusion detection consulting.  A good
>>way to capitolize on existing talent.
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>>
>>Regards,
>>Jeffery Gieser
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