At 11:23 AM 8/22/00 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


>Yes, I think they definitely are. I've seen several companies where
>they're having difficulty hiring and keeping top people.

The online security scanning and continous risk management companies are 
running into the same issue, the lack of experienced folk are limited, and 
the newer folk don't have as much experience as the previous folk.  Just 
the other day, I was talking to someone who just joined a premier security 
consulting service company.
Of course that person has less than 10 years experience, and HR commented 
that he was the highest paid senior person on staff.  Oh boy, that makes 
you wonder, that premier consulting companies advertise the fact they have 
top notch talent but yet don't want to pay top dollar for it.

Recruiters get off your schtick, stop trying to save the company money, and 
offer up the bucks, if the person doesn't work out in 90 days, get rid of 
them, some other company will pick them up in less than 30 days, unless you 
are one of those people that got black-balled a while back and could be 
deemed highly controversial if you hired them..  Of course, once you did 
hire one of those outrageous characters: you would try your best to keep 
that person on board for as long as you can, pay them lots of money, and 
never say to them "You know you really belong in a boutique company and not 
a high end consulting company (or big six type firm).." and then go up 
against them 2 years later.. :)

/m





>  There are too
>few to go around, so you end up with a lot of newbies who you can hire
>cheaply and (hopefully) train.  It seems like a lot of effort is going
>into making the automated systems smart enough that you can have a bunch
>of average-grade NOC monkeys and a small staff of good people to handle
>escalations when necessary. Maybe that's the way it needs to go, since
>things are just getting faster, and people just can't keep up with most
>of it in real-time anymore.
>
>-gabe

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