Hmmm....
How to say this politely.. it seems that a few people have some huge
issues (and a few bags of laundry) that don't really need to be aired out
on this list.
I see personal attacks, not facts taking place here, but then this is just
MHO. I haven't entered into this particular debate, b/c I simply don't
know enough (about firewalls) to know _who_ is right or wrong or if it
_really_ matters at this point... and have been following this thread
hoping to eventually figure that out :)
However, I (and I'm sure lots of others here) can recognize when someone
has written an email and has taken very little consideration into how it
will be read or received. I would highly suggest that you consider the
tone of your posts before sending them. If you did indeed intend for this
tone to come across, then perhaps this is not a _firewall list issue_, but
something that needs to be dealt with in private (as mouss and others have
already quite eloquently hinted at).
Anyways.. just some thoughts and an attempt to defuse this raging fire.
(And no need to now flame/attack me, b/c I've already formulated my
opinions about those involved, and there are now emails that enter my
inbox - from certain people - that will be viewed in a different "light"
and likely deleted.)
Cheers.
Michelle Marcicki
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The shoe that fits one person pinches another; there is no recipe for
living that suits all cases.
~ Carl Jung
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PS:
Things to think about: (I would have expected that most people know this
already but... clearly not.)
***Read your own message at least 3 times before you send it. (Especially
if it has potentially _inflammatory_ content!)
***Consider how the recipient might react to the message (and to you).
***Don't not curse, flame, spam or USE ALL CAPS (duh... )
***When in doubt, save the message overnight and re-read it in the light
of the dawn (It can usually _wait_ till then).
-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy G. Culley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:33:55 +0100
Subject: Re: Simple Pimple firewalls
> > Roy G. Culley wrote:
> >
> > > Paul D. Robertson wrote:
> > >
> > >> Active FTP is a problem period. I've never allowed it for the
> generic
> > >> user population behind any gateway I've run.
> > >
> > > Sorry for the late follow up but I've been away from the office.
> > >
> > > Your arrogant dictatorial stance is the reason for the increasing
> > > momentum behind SOAP and even worse the move to use SSL for most
> > > connections.
> >
> > (More ranting deleted)
> >
> > Oh, is that what you think? Everything SHOULD be encrypted, there's
> no
> > excuse (in this day and age) for the existence of non-encrypted
> traffic
> > of any sort, even if you're only employing weak encryption.
> >
> > Your arrogant dictatorial stance only shows that you are a tool of
> the
> > governments of the world which would have us believe that encryption
> is
> > not necessary. Those of us who are tired of wondering if someone will
> > sniff a password and gain access to something we considered to be
> > harmless and exploit some vulnerability would prefer if all traffic
> were
> > encrypted.
> >
> > Ordinarily I wouldn't attack so strongly, or so tritely, but like
> likes
> > like, as they say.
> >
> > If you would like to have the last word, rest assured that I will not
> > continue this thread on the list.
>
> Another simpleton joins the discussion. I have nothing against
> encryption
> what so ever. I use PGP whenever I want to transfer sensitive data.
> What
> we we talking about is protecting a companies data from outside and
> inside
> attack (remember over 80% of security incidents are from the inside).
> The
> original discussion was about firewalls keeping state about
> connections. I
> tried to explain why stateful firewalls are useful. Mr. Robertson
> thinks
> differently on this matter. I think he is wrong. For sure when everyone
> uses encryption the job of a firewall administrator is over. He admits
> this.
> I'm just saying that his dictatorial attitude is hastening this day.
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