On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Reckhard, Tobias wrote:

> Bottom line: Stateful filters (and packet filters too) could perform
> decisions just like ALGs, but they currently don't. And I see no trend in
> the direction.

Not quite true generically...  A packet filter doesn't have information
about what the client is willing to accept.  That means that out-of-order
fragments or packets could cause a speciific action (or DoS) depending on how 
well the implementation does in handling of things, and that's especially
true of non-TCP based protcols where there's not a sequence number.
Network IDS' generally have the same sets of issues.  ALGs are the
client, so they have a specific stack behaviour that means they don't need
that as a decision point.

There are some actions that an ALG typically can't perform and a packet
filter can, but that's why almost everything is a hybrid of some sort.
The key is figuring out how weighted the hybrid should be towards
application layer stuff.

Paul
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