On 7 Jun 2001, at 16:30, Paul D. Robertson wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Jun 2001, Zachary Uram wrote:
> 
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > So is DDoS attacks biggest security threat out there?
> 
> No, most certainly intrusions are the biggest threat out there. 
> Stopping intrusions would naturally stop DDoS as well as other
> attacks. 

  Stopping intrusions *on every host in the wild* should prevent 
their being used as DDoS zombies.  It wouldn't prevent them being 
used as smurfs -- you have to prevent source spoofing for that.

  Given that none of us, as far as I know, is in a position to fix 
every host in the wild, then if I harden a site against intrusions, 
does it become immune to DDoSes?  NO, because the DDoS that takes my 
site off the air may be targetted at something I don't control:  ISP 
routers, DNS root servers, Akamai cache servers, etc.
  It's not obvious to me that defending against intrusions does 
anything to protect me from DDoSes.  (Okay, folks -- I'm setting 
myself up to learn something here.  Teach me the error of my ways.)

  On the other hand, there's a sense in which a DDoS that prevents 
users from reaching my servers cannot knock me further down than 
zero.  An actual intrusion, a compromise of sensitive medical data or 
credit card numbers or missile launch codes, has no such natural 
limit on how bad the damage can be....

David Gillett


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