I doubt that any 1005 hardware solution exists today, and I'm not 
certain that such a thing, if possible, is necessarily desirable or 
useful.

  I think a more typical taxonomy divides the field into:

1.  Hardware:  Dedicated devices/appliances.  Technically, this would 
include both firewall boxes and firewall featuresets on dedicated 
switch or router boxes.

2.  Software:  Driver-level and kernel-level software that adds 
security to a general-purpose OS.  Technically, this includes both 
applications intended to turn generic hardware/OS into a dedicated 
firewall box, and applications intended to run directly on a 
host/client.

  There are those who will object to FW-1 (on Solaris or NT...) and 
ZoneAlarm both being lumped into the second category; there are those 
who will object to a LinkSys router and a NetScreen box sharing the 
first.

  Note that there are both packet filters and proxies in the Software 
category; while I know of no specific proxy products that fall into 
the first category, there is no reason in principle that they could 
not exist, and I suspect they do.  So this does nopt exactly parallel 
the packet filter vs. proxy taxonomy that is also commonly applied.

  My rule of thumb:  If a stranger can pick out the firewall by 
looking, it's hardware.  If it's not a separate box, or if it's a 
generic "server" box that said stranger would need to be told was 
running the firewall application, then it's software.

David Gillett


On 6 Jul 2001, at 11:59, Ben Nagy wrote:

> I think a better definition is that a "hardware based firewall" would need
> to run dedicated ASICs (or whatever) for all firewall functions.
> 
> Anything that uses any kind of code that runs in read / writeable RAM is a
> software solution. And yes, that includes firewalls that boot from read-only
> media.
> 
> Any other definition is sophistry. A Cisco PIX is no more "hardware" than a
> linux box running iptables.
> 
> As far as I know there are no extant hardware based firewalls. None. Nil.
> Zip.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> --
> Ben Nagy
> Network Security Specialist
> Marconi Services Australia Pty Ltd
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven Pierce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:13 AM
> > To: Zachary Uram
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: zone alarme and udp 44767
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Zachary,
> > 
> > A hardware solution is one that is like a machine.  So if you 
> > took a router that had a firewall built into it
> > that would be a hardware solution.  Anything that is 
> > physically on your desk,etc is hardware.  Software is
> > anything installed on the machine, so zonealarm would 
> > software.  Now you can have hardware and software also.
> > If you have Linux (Any Flavor) installed on a old 486 that 
> > would be both hard and soft.  
> > 
> > Does that help??
> > 
> > Steven
> > 
> > If anyone on the list would like to add to this please do, or 
> > if I am off base please let me know.
> > 
> > S
> > 
> > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> > 
> > On 7/4/2001 at 01:12 Zachary Uram wrote:
> > 
> > >eh?
> > >what is a 'hardware solution'?
> [...]
> 


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