Okay, if people are trace routing to this guy's network, then they're
accessing it either via a public IP or a public DNS name that resolves to a
public IP that may or may not translate to a different internal address via
NAT, etc. If he disallows outgoing ICMP reply packets at his edge routers,
his traces will look like the first one below. If he doesn't, his trace may
look like the second one, or it may look slightly different if he's NATting
(note that a few packets were snipped off the beginning of each trace; it's
not an error). Regardless, packets 16-30 in the first trace are what would
result if he disabled outgoing ICMP replies.

C:\>tracert www.microsoft.com

Tracing route to www.microsoft.akadns.net [207.46.230.220]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  4   130 ms   160 ms   141 ms  wdc-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.24.81]
  5   140 ms   141 ms   150 ms  dca-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.8.209]
  6   150 ms   151 ms   140 ms  dca-core-03.inet.qwest.net [205.171.9.50]
  7   181 ms   180 ms   180 ms  chi-core-03.inet.qwest.net [205.171.8.162]
  8   170 ms   180 ms   180 ms  chi-edge-08.inet.qwest.net [205.171.20.118]
  9   160 ms   180 ms   161 ms  66.62.192.1
 10   261 ms   210 ms   210 ms  min-core-02.tamerica.net [205.171.4.201]
 11   220 ms   230 ms   231 ms  sea-core-03.tamerica.net [205.171.8.113]
 12   210 ms   221 ms   210 ms  sea-edge-08.inet.qwest.net [205.171.26.74]
 13   220 ms   230 ms   230 ms  65.116.65.226
 14   221 ms   220 ms   210 ms  207.46.154.29
 15   231 ms   220 ms   220 ms  207.46.155.13
 16     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 17     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 18     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 19     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 20     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 21     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 22     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 23     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 24     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 25     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 26     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 27     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 28     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 29     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 30     *        *        *     Request timed out.

Trace complete.


C:\>tracert www.novell.com

Tracing route to www.novell.com [192.233.80.5]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  4   150 ms   150 ms   140 ms  wdc-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.24.81]
  5   150 ms   140 ms   150 ms  dca-core-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.8.209]
  6   151 ms   140 ms   150 ms  dca-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [205.171.9.58]
  7   150 ms   140 ms   150 ms  205.171.1.138
  8   150 ms   141 ms   160 ms  gbr4-p50.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.9.54]
  9   161 ms   170 ms   170 ms  gbr4-p10.attga.ip.att.net [12.122.2.161]
 10   190 ms   190 ms   200 ms  gbr3-p10.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.3.37]
 11   190 ms   190 ms   181 ms  gbr4-p60.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.1.138]
 12   220 ms   221 ms   230 ms  gbr4-p50.dvmco.ip.att.net [12.122.2.102]
 13   230 ms   220 ms   220 ms  gbr1-p20.dvmco.ip.att.net [12.122.5.22]
 14   220 ms   231 ms   220 ms  gbr3-p70.dvmco.ip.att.net [12.122.5.17]
 15   231 ms   230 ms   240 ms  gar1-p360.slkut.ip.att.net [12.122.2.237]
 16   240 ms   240 ms   241 ms  12.127.106.34
 17   230 ms   230 ms   230 ms  192.94.118.223
 18   220 ms   220 ms   221 ms  wwwsvc1.provo.novell.com [192.233.80.5]

Trace complete.

Laura


----- Original Message -----
From: "Network Operations" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: How to hide IP's in Trace


The problem with that however is that disabling ICMP echo-replies does not
hide the IP addresses in traceroute you simply get a "no response" message
back. You still get a complete map of the network path, only without
hostnames.

Whaddaya think?

Marc

>>> "Laura A. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/06/02 11:29AM >>>
NAT is designed for more than just obscuring IPs, and if IPSec is in use in
this environment, it will negate the ability to use IPSec in transport mode.
Without knowing why the OP isn't using NAT, it may not be feasible for his
environment. Disallowing ICMP reply packets would achieve the requested
result without requiring significant modification. Just my two cents.

Laura
----- Original Message -----
From: "Network Operations" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: How to hide IP's in Trace


That is exactly what NAT is designed to do.

Here are a few links that will steer you in the right direction.

good luck!

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/556/12.html
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/21.html

>>> "Amarnath Gutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/06/02 10:55AM >>>
Hi All,

I have Private IP's address in my network which I want to conceal in
traceroutes. Say a customer traces to any IP on internet he is able to map
my private network also which I want to prevent. So how can I hide the
private ip's in the traceroutes. I use cisco routers.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Regards

Amar

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