What is IIRC I thought PIX was Finese? At 06:32 PM 4/18/2002 -0400, Bill Royds wrote: >QNX is often used as base operating system for intelligent QoS monitors, >not for switching or routing or IDS. IIRC, the PIX OS was developed as a >complete OS, but based on some BSD ideas (not code). It is still a >software based operating system, but designed with simplicity and security >in mind. It still may have software problems, the script kiddies don't >have easy access to binary to find its bugs. But since Cisco is the only >developer, you need to trust Cisco quality control. It does not even have >the number of different eyes looking at it that Windows 2000 does. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill McGee >Sent: Thu April 18 2002 17:34 >To: Clifford Thurber; Noonan Wesley; 'Brian Ford'; Chris Kirschke >Cc: Mikael Olsson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Digital Legends (was: RE: Microsoft ISA server (Was: Re: >Repl acingmy old PIX Classic)) > > >Just because we may license one product or another does not, ipso facto, >mean that it is part of the PIX OS or IOS. Those are completely proprietary >operating systems. I mean, look at our product list. We literally sell >thousands of products. Many are not IOS or PIX OS based. > >I'd suggest some of you have read one too many conspiracy theories, but >given the nature of this group (myself included), that would just be a PGIO >(Piercing Glance Into the Obvious.) ;-) > >-bill > >At 03:37 PM 4/18/2002 -0400, Clifford Thurber wrote: > >We deman an answer! > > > >At 02:19 PM 4/18/2002 -0500, Noonan, Wesley wrote: > >>The of course you have this: > >> > >>http://news.theolympian.com/stories/20020304/Business/28667.shtml > >> > >> > >>Wes Noonan, MCSE/MCT/CCNA/CCDA/NNCSS > >>Senior QA Rep. > >>BMC Software, Inc. > >>(713) 918-2412 > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://www.bmc.com > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Brian Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 12:11 > >> > To: Chris Kirschke > >> > Cc: Clifford Thurber; Noonan Wesley; Mikael Olsson; > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Subject: RE: Digital Legends (was: RE: Microsoft ISA server (Was: Re: > >> > Replacingmy old PIX Classic)) > >> > > >> > Chris, > >> > > >> > Gee whiz. Maybe I missed it. Where does it say that QNX is used in > >> > IOS? Or PIX? > >> > > >> > It's not. > >> > > >> > Liberty for All, > >> > > >> > Brian > >> > > >> > At 10:01 AM 4/18/2002 -0700, Chris Kirschke wrote: > >> > >http://www.qnx.com/news/pr/may18_98-cisco.html > >> > > > >> > >Chris Kirschke > >> > >Lead Engineer > >> > >Astreya Partners, Inc > >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >408-790-5900 xt 531 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >-----Original Message----- > >> > >From: Clifford Thurber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > >Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 9:36 AM > >> > >To: Brian Ford; Noonan Wesley; 'Mikael Olsson' > >> > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >Subject: Re: Digital Legends (was: RE: Microsoft ISA server (Was: Re: > >> > >Replacingmy old PIX Classic)) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >I don't have the link in front of me but I saw a news blurb that Cisco > >> > >licensced QNX in 1998? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >At 12:27 PM 4/18/2002 -0400, Brian Ford wrote: > >> > > >Wes, > >> > > > > >> > > >I don't know where you heard this legend about IOS running on some > >> > other > >> > > >OS.... It is not true. > >> > > > > >> > > >IOS is an operating system implemented directly on a hardware > >> > > >platform. There is no underlying operating system. Look at your IOS > >> > > >router for a "Boot Loader"; that's a small IOS kernel (and not a > third > >> > > >party OS). > >> > > > > >> > > >PIX OS ran many, many, many years ago on top of a real time OS > >> > (Finesse) > >> > > >that was developed specifically for the hardware platform that > the PIX > >> > > >used at that time. Today, the PIX OS runs directly on hardware (when > >> > you > >> > > >look at the actual PIX source code you sometimes see references > to the > >> > old > >> > > >real time OS). > >> > > > > >> > > >You may be thinking of one of a number attempts (by third parties) to > >> > > >create a program that runs on Unix that can execute an IOS or PIX > >> > > >image. The latest attempt at something like that was the "IOU" > (IOS On > >> > > >Unix) project. I don't know how far that ever got. > >> > > > > >> > > >This claim that either IOS or PIX is a version of Unix or running on > >> > Unix > >> > > >is becoming a kind of annual event. Maybe someone will claim > that all > >> > > >Linux implementations actually runs on one copy of run-time > Windows NT > >> > > >v4.0 next? > >> > > > > >> > > >Liberty for All, > >> > > > > >> > > >Brian > >> > > > > >> > > >At 08:15 AM 4/18/2002 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > >>Message: 6 > >> > > >>From: "Noonan, Wesley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >>To: "'Clifford Thurber'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >> > > >> "'Mikael Olsson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >>Cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > >>Subject: RE: Microsoft ISA server (Was: Re: Replacing my old PIX > >> > Classic) > >> > > >>Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:12:38 -0500 > >> > > >> > >> > > >>A sizable chuck of Cisco (don't know for sure on the PIX, but I know > >> > on > >> > > >>their routers) runs an OS behind the scenes that is called > Xenix, XNS, > >> > ZNS, > >> > > >>or something along those lines (I really don't recall the actual > >> > name). IOS > >> > > >>runs on top of that (is my understanding, kind of like how > Banyan ran > >> > > on top > >> > > >>of Unix). My point was simply, if one is going to cast the "a > firewall > >> > is > >> > > >>only as strong as the underlying OS" stone, they need to be prepared > >> > to > >> > > cast > >> > > >>that stone at virtually every firewall out there. It is hardly a ISA > >> > > >>specific issue (heck, FW1 runs on MS doesn't it?). > >> > > >> > >> > > >>Wes Noonan > >> > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >>281-208-8993 > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >> > >Firewalls mailing list > >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >http://lists.gnac.net/mailman/listinfo/firewalls > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Firewalls mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://lists.gnac.net/mailman/listinfo/firewalls > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Firewalls mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://lists.gnac.net/mailman/listinfo/firewalls > >______________________________________________________________________________________ >Bill McGee, CCNA > >Cisco Systems, Inc. >VPN and Security Business Unit >Global Channels Manager >Security Evangelist > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Phone: 801.319.5584 >Pager: 800.365.4578 > >Make your Cisco network "SAFE" >http://www.cisco.com/go/safe/ >______________________________________________________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >Firewalls mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.gnac.net/mailman/listinfo/firewalls
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