Cari Tutti, Krassimir Markov ha ragione. L'informazione è un processo spazio-temporale statico-dinamico. Un'opera d'arte o un bene culturale è nello stesso tempo informato e informatore.Per questo è meglio parlare di tras-informazione. La Neuroinformation è la più alta e completa forma di tras-informazione emo-ra-zionale (intelligenza razionale e intelligenza emotiva). Essa si articola in : significazione, informazione, comunicazione. Triade semiotica indispensabile per comprendere e interpretare ogni esistenza e ogni conoscenza del mondo fisico, psichico e metafisico. Qualunque scienza naturale o umana o sociale non può farne a meno. Grazie e auguri per Carolina Isiegas. Francesco Rizzo.
2014-12-04 15:57 GMT+01:00 Krassimir Markov <mar...@foibg.com>: > Dear Bob, > I think, there is no conflict between two points of view – information may > be a process and it may be a static depending of what kind of reflection it > is. > For instance, we reflect the world around: > - as static - by photos, art images, sculptures, etc.; > - as dynamic - by movies, theater plays, ballet, etc.; > - and, at the end, by both types – by static text which creates dynamical > imaginations in our consciousness. > Friendly regards > Krassimir > > PS: This is my second post for this week. So, I say: Goodbye to the next > one! > > > > *From:* Bob Logan <lo...@physics.utoronto.ca> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2014 3:54 PM > *To:* Joseph Brenner <joe.bren...@bluewin.ch> > *Cc:* fis@listas.unizar.es > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation? > > Dear all - I support Joseph's remarks and would suggest that information > in general is a process that unfortunately is formulated as a noun. > Inspired by Bucky Fuller's I think I am a verb I suggest that "Information > is a verb" It is a verb because it describes a process. Although that > solves one problem we need to be able to describe a set of signs that have > the potential to initiate the process of informing through interpretation. > I would not suggest we create another word but recognize that the word > information has many meanings and that when it is describing a process it > has a verb-like quality to it and when it describes a set of sign that have > the potential to be interpreted and hence become information it is acting > as a noun. I would also suggest that a simple definition of the term > information is not possible because its meaning is so context dependent. > This is true of all words but even more so for information. For those that > agree with my sentiments the above is information and for those that do not > it is nonsense. My best wishes to both groups, Bob Logan > ______________________ > > Robert K. Logan > Prof. Emeritus - Physics - U. of Toronto > Chief Scientist - sLab at OCAD > http://utoronto.academia.edu/RobertKLogan > www.physics.utoronto.ca/Members/logan > www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert_Logan5/publications > > > > > > > > > On 2014-12-04, at 6:40 AM, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > Dear Dr. Isiegas, > > I will add my support to the extended concept of information that inheres > in the work of Robert Ulanowicz and John Collier. I would just add that I > like to call it information-as-process, to call attention to its > 'structure' being dynamic, with individual neurones involved in a cyclic > (better spiral or sinusoidal) movement between states of activation and > inhibition. I have ascribed an extension of logic to this form of > alternating actual and potential states in complex processes at all levels > of reality. > > Best wishes, > > Joseph B. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Ulanowicz" <u...@umces.edu> > To: "Carolina Isiegas" <cisie...@gmail.com> > Cc: <fis@listas.unizar.es> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Fis] Neuroinformation? > > > Dear Dr. Isiegas: > > I envision neuroinformation as the mutual information of the neuronal > network where synaptic connections are weighted by the frequencies of > discharge between all pairs of neurons. This is directly analogous to a > network of trophic exchanges among an ecosystem, as illustrated in > <http://people.biology.ufl.edu/ulan/pubs/SymmOvhd.PDF>. > > Please note that this measure is different from the conventional > sender-channel-receiver format of communications theory. It resembles more > the "structural information" inhering in the neuronal network. John > Collier (also a FISer) calls such information "enformation" to draw > attention to its different nature. > > With best wishes for success, > > Bob Ulanowicz > > Dear list, > > > I have been reading during the last year all these interesting > > exchanges. Some of them terrific discussions! Given my scientific > > backgound > > (Molecular Neuroscience), I would like to hear your point of view on the > > topic of neuroinformation, how information "exists" within the Central > > Nervous Systems. My task was experimental; I was interested in > > investigating the molecular mechanisms underlying learning and memory, > > specifically, the role of the cAMP-PKA-CREB signaling pathway in such > > brain > > functions (In Ted Abel´s Lab at the University of Pennsylvania, where I > > spent 7 years). I generated several genetically modified mice in which I > > could regulate the expression of this pathway in specific brain regions > > and > > in which I studied the effects of upregulation or downregulation at the > > synaptic and behavioral levels. However, I am conscious that the > > "information flow" within the mouse Nervous System is far more complex > > that > > in the "simple" pathway that I was studying...so, my concrete question for > > you "Fishers" or "Fisers", how should we contemplate the micro and macro > > structures of information within the neural realm? what is > > Neuroinformation? > > > Best wishes, > > > > -- > > Carolina Isiegas > > _______________________________________________ > > Fis mailing list > > Fis@listas.unizar.es > > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > _______________________________________________ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > > > _______________________________________________ > Fis mailing list > Fis@listas.unizar.es > http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis > >
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