good points from guenther.
see if this helps:
If meaning is anything that a receiver can understand, if meaning is
anything that an entity can interpret, if meaning is in the eye of the
beholder,
then how do you know when a thing or a person “understands” something?
Follow the B.F. Skinner rule. Watch his or her behavior. Watch for the
signs of stimulus and response. Watch to see if the receiver does
something in response to the stimulus. Watch to see if the receiver moves.
from The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates.
with warmth and oomph--howard
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Author of: The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces
of History ("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post),
Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st
Century ("reassuring and sobering"-The New Yorker),
The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A
tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows, National Correspondent, The
Atlantic),
The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos Creates("Bloom's argument will rock
your world." Barbara Ehrenreich),
How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!”
Timothy Leary), and
The Mohammed Code (“A terrifying book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.”
David Swindle, PJ Media).
Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute; Former Visiting
Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York University
Founder: International Paleopsychology Project. Founder: The Group
Selection Squad; Founder, Space Development Steering Committee. Board Member
and
Member Of Board Of Governors, National Space Society. Founding Board Member:
Epic of Evolution Society. Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project.
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American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Psychological
Society, Academy of Political Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society,
International Society for Human Ethology. Scientific Advisory Board
Member, Lifeboat Foundation. Advisory Board Member, The Buffalo Film Festival.
Editorial board member, The Journal of Space Philosophy.
In a message dated 6/21/2015 7:51:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
witz...@sbg.at writes:
Meaning is a social function (G.H.Mead). The meaning can be simply
identifying by looking what habits it produces (C.S.Peirce), the meaning of a
word
is its use (late Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations). There
remains no question about "meaning" so far. This problem is finally solved.
Best
Guenther
Am 20.06.2015 um 22:33 schrieb Jerry LR Chandler:
List:
My opinions categorically reject the shallow proposition below which
ignores the foundational logic.
The biological sciences focus on life itself.
The scientific foundation of biological information is included under the
notion of Foundation of Information Science.
The adjectives "cognitive" and "computational" and "linguistic" do not
influence the meaning the foundation of the science, they are merely
descriptors of sub-aspects of the science or incomplete perspectives of
biology.
The post introduces the proposition that these three adjectives are not
even modifiers of the meaning of biology, mere metaphors, each of which can
carry a vast array of meanings.
Personally, I am rather fond of elephants and find this slight of
elephants, one of mother nature's greatest achievements, unwarranted.
Cheers
Jerry
On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:52 PM, _HowlBloom@aol.com_ (mailto:howlbl...@aol.com)
wrote:
re: cognitive biology vs computational biology.
may i suggest that you add yet one more approach to the list: linguistic
biology. per the work of Guenther Witzany. also reflected in my book The
God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates.
each approach uses a helpful metaphor. no one approach sees the elephant
in its entirety. so please let us use all three.
with oomph--howard
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Howard Bloom
_Howardbloom.net_ (http://howardbloom.net/)
Author of: The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces
of History ("mesmerizing"-The Washington Post),
Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 21st
Century ("reassuring and sobering"-The New Yorker),
The Genius of the Beast: A Radical Re-Vision of Capitalism ("A
tremendously enjoyable book." James Fallows, National Correspondent, The
Atlantic),
The God Problem: How A Godless Cosmos Creates("Bloom's argument will rock
your world." Barbara Ehrenreich),
How I Accidentally Started the Sixties (“Wow! Whew! Wild! Wonderful!”
Timothy Leary), and
The Mohammed Code (“A terrifying book…the best book I’ve read on Islam.”
David Swindle, PJ Media).
Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute; Former Visiting
Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department, New York University
Founder: International Paleopsychology Project. Founder: The Group
Selection Squad; Founder, Space Development Steering Committee. Board Member
and
Member Of Board Of Governors, National Space Society. Founding Board Member:
Epic of Evolution Society. Founding Board Member, The Darwin Project.
Founder: The Big Bang Tango Media Lab. Member: New York Academy of Sciences,
American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Psychological
Society, Academy of Political Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society,
International Society for Human Ethology. Scientific Advisory Board
Member, Lifeboat Foundation. Advisory Board Member, The Buffalo Film Festival.
Editorial board member, The Journal of Space Philosophy.
In a message dated 6/19/2015 9:22:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_emanl.245@gmail.com_ (mailto:emanl....@gmail.com) writes:
Dear Jerry,
Thank you for responding to my post.
Thank you very much for an attempt to read and to understand my Vienna
Symposium related publications.
I apologize for a delay in my response – I was trying to read and to
understand your papers (“Algebraic Biology” and “_Physical Foundations of
Organic Mathematics”). Unfortunately, I did not understand much of what you
are
talking there (about biological computations)._
(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mathematics_(Abstra
ct_August_26_2014))
_Never mind, it is my fault, not yours. To my shame, I often also do not
understand what other people on the forum are writing too. _
(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265238674_Physical_Foundations_of_Organic_Mat
hematics_(Abstract_August_26_2014))
As to me, I think (and write) that the era of a computational approach to
science and nature studies is over and we are gradually replacing it with a
cognitive approach. (Computational biology, Computational ecology,
Computational neuroscience, Computational genomics, Computational chemistry,
Computational endocrinology, Computational intelligence, Computational
linguistics and so on are now being replaced with Cognitive biology, Cognitive
ecology, Cognitive neuroscience, Cognitive genomics, Cognitive endocrinology,
Cognitive intelligence, Cognitive linguistics, and even Cognitive
computing).
By definition, computational approaches imply intensive data processing,
while Cognitive approaches imply dedicated information processing. What is
the difference? Unfortunately, FIS forum does not dwell on this issue.
I was pleased to hear from Prof. Kun Wu (at his opening lecture in Vienna)
that “By means of the reformation, all scientific and philosophical
domains are facing an integrative trend of paradigm reform, which I name as “
informationalization of science”, (The quotation is from one of his
presentation slides).
As you can see, my assertions are very close to what Prof. Kun Wu claims,
but far from what you (and other mainstream FIS contributors) obey and
adhere to.
I am a newcomer to FIS and I do not intend to preach in the others’
temple. But Prof. Kun Wu is one of the founding fathers of the Philosophy of
Information. Therefore, it would be wise for you to be in an agreement with
his
postulates.
Best regards,
Emanuel Diamant.
From: Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 8:42 PM
To: Emanuel Diamant
Subject: Re: [Fis] FIS newcomer
Dear Emanuel:
Thanks for posting your views on Research Gate.
Interesting perspective, but... the essence of biology / biological
computation are empirical observations that are highly irregular in nature.
One
must separate the concepts of structures from functions in the languages of
chemistry and biology.
You may wish to look at the concepts of languages from your perspectives.
Several of my online available papers will provide more substance for
these comments.
Cheers
jerry
On Jun 15, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Emanuel Diamant wrote:
Dear FISlists,
I am a newcomer to the FIS discussion table. The debate that is going on in
your list-exchange is very interesting to me, but frankly, for the most
of the time, I only guess about what you are talking – my vocabulary and my
notions of Information are quite different from yours. Nevertheless, I
would like to add my voice to the ongoing discourse – I would like to direct
you to my page on the Research Gate
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Emanuel_Diamant) to see my uploads from
the last IS4IS Vienna Conference.
Maybe you will find them interesting.
Best regards,
Emanuel Diamant.
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