This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My trainer says that muscling would be the worst thing to do with them. Riba tends to be a little opinionated (we're a good match that way) and she just makes it easier for her to do the right thing than the wrong thing and then, whenever she gets it right, she stops the lesson real soon, letting her know that there's a reward for being good. It's 107 here today so no riding at all. Thanks for the points, too, Karen. I love that kind of post. Gail in Las Cruces