Understood Hank. Shouldn't it be possible for the 'true inventor' to patent
their 'invention' once the patent is gone?

I would research laws around patents, but hell, as important is this
discussion, I have to get some work done today too.

M.

On 3/2/06, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, you are wrong :)
>
> If there is prior art and they did not patent it then the patent does
> not get bestowed on the owner of the prior art, it just goes away.
>
> Also, I am hard pressed to understand why the AOL application is not
> an RIA. Based on my reading of the patents definition of an RIA I
> think AOL would probably be the biggest pre-existing RIA.
>
> Regards
> Hank
>
> On 3/2/06, elibol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Chris, the evidence being collected at OSFlash should only serve to
> bestow
> > the ownership of the patent to someone else. I apologize, but I would
> need
> > help understanding what else this kind of documentation could prove. The
> > problem would persist, am I wrong?
> >
> > M.
> >
> > On 3/2/06, Chris Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Aral Balkan has created a page on the OSFlash.org wiki for documenting
> > > these prior projects.  Moonfruit.com is already listed, but if any of
> > > you have other early RIAs to add, please do so.
> > >
> > > Here is the link:
> http://osflash.org/balthaser_patent_prior_art_discovery
> > >
> > > On 3/2/06, Alias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The patent holder did actually create Balthaser.com, which was, at
> the
> > > > time, a pretty early RIA (circa 2000). It was a bit crap though.
> Kind
> > > > of a powerpoint ripoff, only less good. This was all done in Flash
> 4.
> > > >
> > > > I would say it was the *second* ever RIA, because Moonfruit.com
> (where
> > > > I worked) was around before it (and still is)
> > > >
> > > > Alias
> > > >
> > > > On 3/2/06, Troy Rollins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:58 AM, elibol wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Our team has been aware of this situation. It's big trouble if
> it's
> > > > > > to be
> > > > > > sold to the highest bidder; ignorantly speaking, Microsoft
> should
> > > > > > appear to
> > > > > > outstand the competition in financial strength.
> > > > >
> > > > > Microsoft would probably find it cheaper to support the challenge
> of
> > > > > the patent. Maybe they'd be willing to donate the lawyer fees,
> since
> > > > > that seems to be about the only thing stopping this patent from
> > > > > getting blown out of the water. There doesn't seem to be any
> question
> > > > > that there is prior art, and the patent is bogus. I'm pretty
> > > > > confident Adobe could knock it down as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to see a single RIA the patent holder ever made.
> > > > >
> > > > > Software patents really suck. Strictly conceptual ones even more
> so.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Troy
> > > > > RPSystems, Ltd.
> > > > > http://www.rpsystems.net
> > > > >
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