Hi, Lots of stuff in this email, but I will just respond to this:
"Flex takes what was getting good about AS and > implements it in a retardedly expensive solution that is of little > interest to a whole bunch of us." The Flex 2 SDK is free. Hard to call that expensive. Flex Builder 2 is "under $1000". Ditto. And FES 2 starts at free and scales up based on usage, but it is *not* required. -David > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of eugen pflüger > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:50 AM > To: Flashcoders mailing list > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] FF Seattle Report > > right, andreas. > > eugen > > > > > Am 05.03.2006 um 23:03 schrieb Andreas Rønning: > > > Glad you had a ball, but until Adobe stops ass-raping the FlashCom > > community with bizarre licensing practises and the > inability to make > > statements with a straight face, i don't see how this merger is > > positive at all. > > All i see is further separation of the individual solutions > Adobe got > > a hold of with Macromedia, separations that were > problematic to begin > > with. Macromedia always had too many onions in the soup, > and it looks > > like that's just going to get worse. PDF online is a total > aberration > > now as it has always been; it's forte is in print content, > not online > > content, and every time i inadvertently hit a link that > brings up the > > Acrobat plugin, you can hear my groan blocks away. I don't see the > > Acrobat relevance online tell you the truth (someone, > please correct > > me here if i'm totally missing the boat on some important topic). > > > > What you just described is precisely what i thought it'd be: Flash > > keeps its footing as an animation platform with an anchor > in the fast > > and the frivolous, Flex takes what was getting good about AS and > > implements it in a retardedly expensive solution that is of little > > interest to a whole bunch of us. > > > > What i'd really like to see from an event like that, aside from > > whizbang and promises, is an indication that Macromedia didn't > > completely lose the plot when they were acquired. At the moment, > > they're one of the toughest businesses to like out there, mostly > > because of an inability to say ONE thing and subsequently stand for > > it. Employees are lovely, but whoever makes the big decisions are > > freaking me out. > > > > The idea of an Adobe/MM OS brings such immense and > immediate terror to > > my imagination that i'm not going to say anything else about that > > topic. Ever, hopefully. > > > > I feel ever so slightly pistol-whipped by the sudden effort to push > > Flex forward, leaving Flash in the dust. I assume this is > some kind of > > intercept vector of Sparkle or the growing interest in AJAX. > > In fact, i'm so sore i'm going to rant a little bit. Pardon > any french > > in the following psycho-babble: > > > > I am a very hard working man. I put 9 to 12 hours into > Flash every day > > of the week. By Flash i mean animation, actionscript, flashcom and > > audio work. I always work with concrete solutions in mind, and with > > concrete budgets and concrete timespans. I have very little > time for > > dabbling, exploration or otherwise advancing myself along paths my > > work doesn't naturally take me. FlashCoders, this list, was > fine and > > dandy up until Flex2, because i felt as though the focus of > the list > > ran in parralel to any problems i might be working on. I > felt it was > > worthwhile reading posts i had no idea what were on about > because i'd > > learn SOMETHING that might be applicable to a problem i'd > run into in > > the future, or alter my approach on a current problem. > Since AS3 came > > around, i've been hugely confused: > > I have no idea how you guys have TIME to explore it. How > Darron Schall > > has time to create an AS3 VNC viewer is beyond me, or how Grant > > Skinner can put together gModeler, or how any number of > flash "guru" > > types have time to put together x number of "exciting new > applications > > of the technology". Where do you find your god damn time and still > > make a living guys?! > > I work my ass off just meeting deadlines, and 9 out of 10 times the > > project is etched in stone from the outset with regard to currently > > existing techniques. The focus is on meeting a demand, not > on creating > > something dazzling and cool to put on a blog somewhere, and > when Erik > > Natzke, who i think does amazing work, manages to drop the "fresh" > > notion that flash developers need to explore more to further > > themselves in their craft, that pisses me off to no end. > > Where. The. Hell. Does. That. Time. Come. From. > > > > AS3 in Flash right now is a cruel tease. We have no clear > indication > > of how it's implementation in Flash 9 will be, what it's > implications > > will be on the UI. All we know is that we can somehow get a > head start > > by getting into Flex and spend a bunch of time on non-deployable > > projects so that we MIGHT hop aboard the AS3 train before it's too > > late, and it slams into us with Flash 9 and all the guys that spent > > their MAGICALLY APPEARING TIME getting into AS3 early get the clear > > upper hand. > > > > So let's talk about motivation and demotivation, and how that whole > > AS3 teaser is a big piece of steaming shit on my doorstep. > I want to > > get into it so bad i can taste it. I downloaded Flexbuilder, i read > > tutorials, i tried it out a bit, but the more i touch it the more i > > feel like i'm being derailed, that my attention is being > removed from > > what puts food on my table and roof over my head. But doubly, i get > > the sense that when Flash 9 hits, the guys that are now > unemployed, on > > the dole, otherwise having the chance to spend real time on > > self-education, are going to be infinitely more desirable as Flash > > developers when that time comes around. > > To put it all into perspective, since Moock's video of the tokyo > > player 8 demonstration, almost everything i've heard from > Macromedia > > has made me feel stronger and stronger about the notion that this > > segment of the industry is NOT something i want to be basing my > > economy on, and that's a terribly sad notion, because i've been at > > this Flash garbage professionally since i quit high school, > a good 6 > > years ago, and i really feel strongly about it. > > > > So what's the solution? Probably go through some bizarre freemason > > ritual to get access to the time machine Grant, Darron and > Erik use to > > magically create time to keep up. As it is, i feel i was > well poised > > to become a truly proficient developer, but that the > weirdly unfocused > > direction Flash has taken is depriving me of my "right" > > to evolve with the format in a natural way, and by natural i mean > > without army issue narcotics that let me survive without sleep. > > > > And that, is demotivating as all hell. > > > > - Andreas, who isn't mad at the above mentioned developers, just > > puzzled and envious > > > > Moses Gunesch wrote: > >> Man I had a great time and thought this conference really put the > >> fire back into Flash. > >> The keynote really showed how exciting and positive the > Adobe merger > >> is! > >> > >> They built an iTunes style app in flex2 in just a few minutes on > >> stage, and they showed off Apollo, the next platform for > >> desktop-based flash apps. > >> Everything is > >> changing at a lightning clip and I really saw what a huuuuge deal > >> this merger is and how good it is really going to be for both of > >> those companies and for all of us, Kevin Lynch has been put into a > >> real position of influence which makes it happen. Adobe is > really all > >> about how to leverage the pdf and flash players but they reassured > >> that there won't be any sort of attempt to combine these things > >> directly, more like all sorts of interesting strategies to > provide a > >> useful platform using all these tools. Seems like in a few > years they > >> ought to try and build an OS of their own (is Google?). > Also showed > >> an astounding performance gain in As3, really impressive actually. > >> > >> The conference is on a ripping comeback now, this was the biggest > >> crowd since the dotcom crash, at around 1500 attendees - > everyone was > >> super focused and attentive at the sessions, and the > parties were all > >> really fun and classy, including a catered party at Gameworks. > >> > >> Lynda explained to me that FF will no longer be west/east coast > >> - just wherever they want. The next one planned is Austin > -- going to > >> be a real blast, that's a sweet town, and it coincides with the > >> Austin City Limits festival. > >> > >> Really great material this year on Flex, AS3, Grant Skinner's talk > >> was awesome, Tons of great stuff, got to see the guys from > Homestar > >> Runner and JibJab talk which was awesome. Fully 5 sessions dealt > >> specifically with externalizing technology and how Flash > can be used > >> for this very easily now. I got lots an upbeat response for my > >> session, heard Natzke's and Hillman Curtis' sessions were great... > >> > >> Over all this was an incredibly positive experience for > me, it really > >> brought back the love and excitement for being in such a > vibrant and > >> vital community. > >> > >> Moses > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >> To change your subscription options or search the archive: > >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >> > >> Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > >> Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > >> http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > > http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com > > > > > > > > > > > plugisto > ........................... > eugen pflüger > > alexanderstr. 109 > 70180 stuttgart > > fon +49.711.6739797 > mobil +49.177.6428272 > e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ........................... > http://www.plugisto.net > http://itself.pmalc.de > http://www.lifeperformance.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > _______________________________________________ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
