>>> Right, except in a case like this memory problem, you did say when we > were trying to troubleshoot my problems:
>>Well, that's no different from any other upgrade, And it'll have to go >>through the same approval process, I would think, right? Well yeah, but each time - so I got FB 3 approved, but now that I have this memory problem, to fix it you're saying upgrade Eclipse. Well guess what? That means another lengthy approval process and review (time and resources) to approve a newer version of a piece of software that should have worked in the first place. >> In any case, I strongly suspect that your Tivoli package was the problem. Yes, I would almost bet money on that. But I really think the reason it was so hard to package and how it got messed up was because of the complexity of how Adobe made it an integrated part of Eclipse - not a single piece of software. On my machine, Flexbuilder 3 and Eclipse exist in two different directories, I'm not sure how that happened or if that is how Adobe set it up. >>Open source is a security risk? Really? That's just a bizarre statement to >>make Uh, YEAH! And that's not a "bizarre" statement. Maybe you don't agree with it, but it's certainly not bizarre. This is a known issue in large corporations. Here is a very recent article on a study that explains it better than I can: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/072108-open-source-security-risk.html - and another take on the same article: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-123151.html the first paragraph reads, "Open source software is a significant security risk for corporations that use it because in many cases, the open source community fails to adhere to minimal security best practices, according a study released Monday." Yes, with open source, you don't have business relationships with the "company" - anyone could be part of the development, from anywhere, and because any almost Joe Schmoe can contribute to the codebase if they sign up and have skills, they don't necessarily adhere to guidelines. Yes, it is a higher security risk to use open source rather ! than using software developed by Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, IBM or Adobe for example. An entity with a proven track record, including a record of security measures, and business relationships with my company. And you're right, not having someone to sue IS a risk. >> From the end-user's perspective, when you install it >>with the integrated installer >> you just run setup.exe and click next over >>and over again just like any other Windows application, and all the >>files get dumped in one directory. Dave, you make it sound so simple, it's not that simple. They tear open the installer before it even gets to me. They look at all the files involved, what types they are, what they do, how they interact, etc. Remember, I work for one of the world's largest companies and IT security is one of our top priorities. When they guy called me on the phone, he asked about Eclipse, and was confused why that was getting installed when what was being approved was "Flexbuilder". When I tried to explain that its essentially all one app - that Flex uses Eclipse as a base, he didn't get it. When I said Eclipse was an open source application that Adobe built Flex on, he was further confused and concerned about security. You can see the headaches that causes. Well, maybe not, but it did. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Learning Shared Services Solutions Development Monthly meetings on the Adobe Flash platform for rich media experiences - join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community -----Original Message----- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Dave Watts Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:15 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Favorite Flex book? > > Just pick a version and stick with it. You don't have to upgrade > > Eclipse. > > Right, except in a case like this memory problem, you did say when we > were trying to troubleshoot my problems: Well, that's no different from any other upgrade, though. If Dreamweaver CS4 works better than Dreamweaver CS3, I can upgrade or not, right? And it'll have to go through the same approval process, I would think, right? In any case, I strongly suspect that your Tivoli package was the problem. Perhaps it didn't set environment variables properly, or something. I've never had memory problems with Eclipse, from 3.2 to the current version - the only reason I've upgraded is because Eclipse itself has added new, useful features. > Another part of the problem, is that its open sourced (security risk, > unknown and unfamiliar vendors). Open source is a security risk? Really? That's just a bizarre statement to make. I grant you that there's no one you can sue, but Eclipse is a known quantity, and it's used in environments that I can guarantee with certainty are as secure as yours. > Also its essentially two applications working together for a single user > experience. Trying to explain that to the people doing the review and > packaging was difficult to say the least, especially when I didn't really > understand how it works - we eventually got it approved, but because > of those two reasons, it took a lot longer than if it was just say, > Photoshop CS4. If you were using the integrated install option, I don't know why you'd have to bother telling them anything other than "it's FlexBuilder 3". From the end-user's perspective, when you install it with the integrated installer, there's no clear separation between FlexBuilder and Eclipse - you just run setup.exe and click next over and over again just like any other Windows application, and all the files get dumped in one directory. I prefer installing FlexBuilder as an Eclipse plugin because I'm already using Eclipse. But if that's not the case, you really don't have to worry about it. > OK, I don't know why I'm still defending myself and talking about it. :) Me neither, except in the hope that it'll be helpful to someone. I can only ask you to remember the glory that was FlexBuilder 1.0. Yecch. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. 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