Josh: Thanks I have added;
https://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/SDK-16897 Hopefully, if you read my rather long post below, you understand what I am trying to accomplish. If it makes sense, go give it a vote. Paul --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Josh McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey, sorry for not pointing you in the right direction, that was kinda > douche-like of me :) > > Here's where you want to be: https://bugs.adobe.com/flex/ > > You can file bug reports and change requests, and vote on things that other > people have reported as well. If you want to mess with the focusing, I'd say > the place to jump in is mx.managers.FocusManager. Find out where it's being > used, if you can subclass it and replace the base FocusManager for your > Application, or something else along those lines. > > -Josh > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:40 PM, aceoohay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Josh: > > > > In my original post, I asked "how I can get this in front of someone > > who could make it hap(p)en." Alex could have easily pointed me to the > > url that I could use to post it as a feature request (which I still > > don't have). > > > > Alex has helped me in the past, but on two occassions, I have pointed > > out what I consider behavior that if given the opportunity to enhance > > I would (one is a flat out bug), and I laid out what I felt was a > > strong case to have the change made. On neither occassion was I > > pointed to a more appropriate place to make these requests, and I > > felt my request was brushed aside without much thought. > > > > I am not sure why you take offense to the expression "run it up the > > flag pole," where I come from it means to "air it out", basically let > > some other folks look at it, and see if it generates any interest. > > While not uplifting it certainly was not meant as a perjorative. > > > > Why do I feel strongly about having developer definable tab loop > > regions? We are developing quite a number of modules that can be > > brought onto the stage by the user in any combination. Each module > > has its own separate and distinct purpose such as a table > > maintenance, or business process function, etc. When the user is > > doing one of these functions tabbing outside of the module makes for > > a very confusing experience. > > > > What I believe would be useful is the ability to define a tab loop > > region at a container level such as a Panel, or Canvas that will > > preclude tabbing out of that region while allowing tabbing to all > > objects in the container and its children. > > > > Instead of considering the flash player stage a single window, > > consider it a container that holds many little windows. In one little > > window you might have a vendor table maintenance open, in another you > > might have order entry, in another shipping, etc. We are trying to > > effectively use the flash player as a mini OS where the user can run > > multiple "programs" simultaneously. These program interact with one > > another in a collaborative manner, but are distinct entities. You > > wouldn't want the user tabbing out of one "program" into another > > would you? > > > > If you consider Windows (or linux) just another stage, analagous to > > the Flash Player you can see the functionality in action, just bring > > up any two applications, and set focus to one application, and use > > the tab key. It will not jump to the other application. I am not > > suggesting changing the default behavior BTW, just adding > > functionality. > > > > I do appreciate Alex's help. This may be the wrong place to discuss > > enhancements, but I hate being brushed off, hence my temper tantrum. > > I apologize for any ill will that may have been created. > > > > BTW, I do not fear changing how flex works, but again, I need a > > starting point, if you would kindly point the way I will look into > > it. Don't need a detailed map, just a starting point. > > > > Paul > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Josh McDonald" <dznuts@> wrote: > > > > > > Aw cummon, don't say things like "run it up the flagpole" dude, > > that's > > > painful. > > > > > > If you think it should change, file a feature request and ask > > people who > > > agree with you to vote on it. We have a system for this sort of > > thing and > > > it's not "get cranky with people from Adobe who're helping us all > > out on the > > > mailing list". > > > > > > As for the tabbing thing, that would annoy the *hell* out of me if > > I were > > > trying to use an app. I don't know what "standard" you're seeing > > where you > > > can only tab between controls within one section of a window, but > > doesn't > > > sound pleasant to me. You're perfectly free to write some funky tab > > code > > > that does what you want, and offer it up for anybody else who wants > > the same > > > thing. If Flex is keeping popups out of the tab loop, that means > > the tabbing > > > code is in Flex (not Player) and you can change it how you please > > and offer > > > a patch on Adobe's Jira (ie, run it up your own flagpole), or hook > > into > > > whatever mx_internal voodoo it's probably using and simply have it > > as a > > > library. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > -Josh > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:04 AM, aceoohay <pauls@> wrote: > > > > > > > Alex: > > > > > > > > How does this work against accessibility rules? > > > > > > > > First, I am suggesting something that enhances flexibility while > > > > leaving the default behavior alone. Second, the current default > > > > behavior irrespective of accessibility rules is counter intuitive. > > > > > > > > Over time I have made two suggestions regarding how Flex should > > > > behave, both of which would make Flex a substantially better > > product > > > > and in both cases you shot them down because you "won't have > > time." > > > > Neither of the suggestions are difficult to implement, and both > > would > > > > provide more control for folks who want to make real business > > > > applications. > > > > > > > > The two suggestions are; > > > > > > > > 1) Fix the bug that causes dataGrid sorting to ralph on it's shoes > > > > when a date or number column has a null value in a cell. In this > > case > > > > I suggested that a "data type" be definable for colums in a > > dataGrid > > > > and null's be handled predictably (either sort high or low). > > > > > > > > 2) Fix the bug where tabbing through objects is counter intuitive > > and > > > > behaves irrationally. Here I suggest that a tab loop "Region" be > > > > definable at a container level. > > > > > > > > In both cases the "workarounds" are cumbersome and make the > > resultant > > > > code look like a 2nd year programmer's hack job. I would think > > that > > > > Adobe would want a product that attracts business application > > > > developers, not just web designers. When Adobe's folks (I assume > > that > > > > you are a member of this group) refuse to even look at changes > > that > > > > would make it easier for someone doing this kind of development to > > > > make professional looking applications, it makes looking into > > > > Silverlight ever so much more attractive. If Microsoft won't pay > > > > attention at least you can blame it on them being so big. > > > > > > > > Why don't you run it up the flag pole, take a look at how much > > time > > > > it would actually take to implement, and see if anyone else would > > > > find it a useful feature befor dismissing it out of hand. > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Alex Harui <aharui@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No advantages using non-modal popups, just a way to get what you > > > > want. I doubt we'll have time to provide more control over > > tabbing, > > > > especially in a way that sort of works against accessibility > > rules. > > > > > > > > > > If you are using ModuleLoader today, you can probably pass the > > > > ModuleLoader to PopUpManager. There'll probably be some other > > stuff > > > > that needs to be fixed up, but that's what I'd try first. > > > > > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of aceoohay > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:13 PM > > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Enhancement, TabIndex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex: > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure precisely how to do what you are suggesting. > > > > > > > > > > What I currently do is to create modules for each panel, and use > > > > > moduleloader to add them to the stage. Are you suggesting that > > > > > instead I use PopUpManager instead of moduleLoader? > > > > > > > > > > For my existing application it seems like a lot of work, and > > just > > > > > investigating the ramifications regarding intermodule > > communications > > > > > and so on may be challenging. > > > > > > > > > > Are there any benefits/drawbacks of using non modal popups vs > > module > > > > > loader other than the tab loop? > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com<mailto:flexcoders% <flexcoders%25> > > <flexcoders%25> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Alex Harui <aharui@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not just tile the application with non-modal popups? > > Wouldn't > > > > > that get you what you want? > > > > > > > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com<mailto:flexcoders% <flexcoders%25> > > <flexcoders%25> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com<mailto:flexcoders% <flexcoders%25> > > <flexcoders%25> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of aceoohay > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 6:26 AM > > > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com<mailto:flexcoders% <flexcoders%25><flexcoders% > > 25> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Flex Enhancement, TabIndex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We write Client Server replacement applications using Flex. > > One > > > > > > thing that is problematic is the handling of tabIndexing using > > > > > Flex. > > > > > > The problem; > > > > > > > > > > > > Flex use a Tab Loop for the entire application except popups. > > This > > > > > > means if you are in panel A, reach the end using tab, it will > > move > > > > > > to panel B, or elsewhere in your application. This is not the > > same > > > > > > behavior that standard Client Server applications exhibit, > > and is > > > > > > undesireable. Adding tab indexes makes the problem worse > > because > > > > if > > > > > > you have multiple panels with overlapping tab indexes, it will > > > > > > bounce back and forth between panels. > > > > > > > > > > > > A Solution; > > > > > > > > > > > > On any container object such as panel, canvas, tabnavigator, > > hbox, > > > > > > vbox, etc. allow a new boolean attribute "tabLoopContainer" > > with > > > > > > true and false as the allowable values. This would then cause > > a > > > > > > local tab loop that would encompass only the objects within > > that > > > > > > container. The default would be false, leaving the behavior > > as it > > > > > > currently exists. Any object with a separate tab loop would > > only > > > > be > > > > > > accessible by mouse click or programatically via set focus. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like some feedback as to whether this seems > > reasonable, > > > > and > > > > > > how I can get this in front of someone who could make it > > hapen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > > > FAQ: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > > > Alternative FAQ location: > > > > https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469- > > 446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847<https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do? docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847> > > > > Search Archives: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! > > Groups > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for > > thee." > > > > > > http://flex.joshmcdonald.info/ > > > > > > :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald > > > :: 0437 221 380 :: josh@ > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > Alternative FAQ location: > > https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469- 446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 > > Search Archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." > > http://flex.joshmcdonald.info/ > > :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald > :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
