On 27/01/2009, at 6:10 PM, Sam Lai wrote: > I think the issue here is that if Adobe/MS used SVG as a base instead > of their proprietary XML dialects, then they won't be able to innovate > and implement new features as quickly. > I disagree, and cite the HTML web browser example again....
> If they added proprietary extensions to SVG, there'll be a massive > backlash as seen with IE and its CSS, JS and HTML extensions. > IE is criticized because it is rubbish and *doesn't follow the standards*. > If they try to get it into the standard, it will take ages to get it > through the committee, and they will lose the competitive advantage of > developing that feature in the first place. > > Unfortunately the standards process just does not keep up with > innovation. But personally, I don't think it should - details should > be thrashed out, and issues should be resolved in standards, > particularly those that could not be foreseen during the initial > implementation. > Yes, that tends to happen and is fine...the point is though that there is a working towards a standard, which is not currently what's happening with Flash or Silverlight. Both are pretending SVG doesn't exist. Flash has some token support for it is the best anyone can say. > I'm a believer of what Sebastian said - "Competition is what drives > technology forward, standards come after the war to clean up the mess, > but they don't innovate." > Again, i disagree, but then maybe I think more highly of humanity than you do... :-) > What would be nice would be a SVG container for Flex/SL, and one that > can reach out into the app and allow the app to reach in. > Indeed. I'd be amazed if both MS and Adobe don't have a functioning SVG interpreter figured out for their respective plugins, ready to jump if that ever becomes necessary (ie, their market share would improve if they included it). Guy > > > 2009/1/27 Guy Morton <g...@alchemy.com.au>: > > Both Adobe and MS could have used SVG as the basis for Flex and > Silverlight, > > but both prefer to lock people into proprietary approaches. Just > because SVG > > doesn't do everything Flash/Flex can do is no reason to use all > the things > > it DOES do (it has styling and scripting support for a start...). > > Having used both SVG and Flex, I can tell you the fundamentals are > the same. > > Sure Flex has a much better component library and the flash player > has > > better penetration, but most of the things I currently do in Flex > are doable > > in SVG. > > Making the Flex SDK open source is a strategic decision to capture > more > > market share. It has nothing to do with supporting W3C standards. > It is only > > about funneling more developers into delivering for the Flash > platform in > > the face of MS and Silverlight. > > I think you are seriously misguided about the role of standards. > HTML seems > > to have worked pretty well. I don't see MS or Adobe trying to do > their own > > versions of that (though they may screw up their support for it at > times, > > yes IE is dreadful)... > > Guy > > > > > > On 27/01/2009, at 9:30 AM, Sebastien ARBOGAST wrote: > > > > Like all W3C standards, SVG is just one tiny little piece of the > puzzle. The > > Flash platform or silverlight offer much more than that of course. > Component > > libraries, styling, scripting support, system integration, > remoting support, > > IDEs, and all the accessories that, like it or not, only a big > company can > > produce. > > > > Competition is what drives technology forward, standards come > after the war > > to clean up the mess, but they don't innovate. > > With the iPhone being so closed, at least Android and Palm have a > big card > > to play on openness to compete. > > But wishing for one silver bullet technology is not a dream, it is > not even > > a utopia, it's like wishing for hell on earth. > > Oh, and by the way, the Flex SDK is totally Open Source, but this > has > > already been repeated thousands of times so I guess you know. > > Sébastien Arbogast > > > > http://sebastien-arbogast.com > > > > > > 2009/1/26 Guy Morton <g...@alchemy.com.au> > >> > >> Mm..yes, but then again Apple is supporting SVG on the > iPhone...Adobe > >> hasn't exactly covered itself in glory with its support for SVG. > Of course > >> since they bought Macromedia they no longer have any strategic > use for it. > >> And now we have Silverlight from MS we have THREE technologies > that are > >> essentially the same - two proprietory and one a W3C standard. > >> > >> Sigh. It's the usual mess we get when corporations exercise their > >> competitive impulses. > >> Wouldn't it have been nice to have an open vector animation > standard (SVG) > >> that would play in a commonly deployed runtime (Flash)? Then we > could all > >> develop once and have native playback in browsers that support > SVG, player > >> support for those that don't and we'd be able to target the iPhone. > >> That of course will never happen. :-) > >> Guy > >> > >> > >> On 27/01/2009, at 12:23 AM, Wally Kolcz wrote: > >> > >> Could not have put it any better myself. > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: "Paul Andrews" <p...@ipauland.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:07 AM > >> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex. AIR and IPhone > >> > >> > >> LOL, yes - the iphone only supports two gestures for flex, flash > and air > >> and they involve the use of one or two fingers.. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From:Sebastien ARBOGAST > >> To:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex. AIR and IPhone > >> You can start by a prayer, because the Flash runtime is not > available on > >> the iPhone in any form, including AIR. > >> And it will probably never be because of commercial and strategic > reasons: > >> the day people can deploy Flex applications to the iPhone, the > App Store is > >> as good as dead... sort of. > >> Sébastien Arbogast > >> > >> http://sebastien-arbogast.com > >> > >> > >> 2009/1/26 thelordsince1984 <lore...@katamail.com> > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> i would create an air application and deploy it into iphone > >>> environment and allow touchscreen gestures. > >>> How can i start? > >>> > >>> Thanks a lot > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Lorenzo > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Alternative FAQ location: https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=942dbdc8-e469-446f-b4cf-1e62079f6847 Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! 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