Jeff, Back in the days (about 2 years ago) we (Midnight Coders) approached Adobe with an idea to create a data management implementation similar to the one in LCDS in our .NET product. What we heard back was a big storm of very loud NO-NOs - "you guys cannot do that, it will be against our license agreement. There's NO way your customers can use fds.swc in conjuction with WebORB for .NET". We had no choice but to create an alternative Data Management implementation and in result fragment the market.
I do not think it it just Adobe's lawyers, this goes all the way to the product management team and there's very good reason (from their perspective) why that licensing term is there.... Really wishing Adobe would be more open minded.. Cheers, Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Vroom <j...@...> wrote: > > Ugh, actually that sounds to me like their lawyers just mailed in the > effort. I'm no lawyer but I would not accept that license agreement as it > is one of the most anti-competitive things I've seen in a while. It > essentially means you cannot use the fds.swc to build an "a.b" relationship > in your code - even if you do the id to value mapping yourself. Similarly, > if you want to use fds.swc along with sql-lite you are not legally allowed > to do that either. If you display "disconnected" button and link against > fds.swc that could be construed as "offline capability". Do they define > this "modeling plug-in" in some way to differentiate the tools you pay for > in FB4 from the LCDS tools? Both seem to be data modelling plugins to me. > Does a Php server compete against BlazeDS? > > Knowing the folks at Adobe, I believe they would use restraint and only > enforce those provisions if you're actually using the association feature of > fds.swc, the offline feature of fds.swc, and the modelling plugins in LCDS > or if you really do compete with either of those two products. But if > you're looking at Adobe as a provider for developer tools of any kind, this > is a pretty seriously anti-competitive clause right there. If you sell any > server products, you might want to stay away from the new FB data centric > tools altogether. > > As it is, I'm not sure how any of the things I suggested in the last couple > of emails would not be considered as "competing with LCDS"... darn it Adobe, > you've cornered me again :( > > Jeff > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:07 AM, busitech <m...@...>wrote: > > > > > > > I took a look at the FB4 Beta 2 License Agreement, and here's what I found: > > > > 2.4.7 Flash (R) Builder(R) with LiveCycle(R) Data Services(LCDS) Data > > Management Library. Your rights to this Software are limited. In order to > > (a) utilize the file called "fds.swc" (the "LCDS Library") to develop > > associations , (b) utilize the LCDS Library to develop offline capability, > > (c) use the application modeling plug-in, or (d) utilize the LCDS Library to > > develop a product that competes with LiveCycle Data Services or BlazeDS, you > > must obtain additional licensing rights from Adobe. > > > > So, the lawyers have been working overtime... This weekend I'm going to > > spend some time with each of the available components, to see how complete > > the package can becomes after adding up the sum of the parts... > > > > Matthew > > > > > > >
