On 12/15/05, Jeff Tapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you expect php4 code to run on php2or php3? software products have new > releases with new features. Expecting a product written years earlier to > support every possible change in the future is far from realistic. > > AMF had a version 1 release, now it will have a version 2 release. I > suspect MM will release a V2 Remoting Gateway. Have you missed the point > that Flex 2 is an ALPHA product? MM is experimenting with lots of new > technologies, without being constrained by how they will interact with > other things. I'm confident they will find a way to support customers of > their Remoting Gateway before flex 2 is released.
You are more confident in macromedia's desire not to orphan products than I am. For more detail, ditto Brian's excellent answer. Regards Hank > > At 03:37 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote: > >On 12/15/05, Jeff Tapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I dont recall MM championing AMFPHP, OpenAMF or any of the other 3rd party > > > hacks to work with their proprietary AMF protocol. Perhaps I'm wrong, if > > > so, I'd love to see the references.... > > > > > > Anyhow, Those open source alternatives were specifically built for AMF1, > > > Flex 2 RemoteObject uses AMF2. If you want AMF1, take a look at Renaun's > > > solution. > > > >Fine what about *their own* AMF product? So if I bought flash remoting > >for $1000 from macromedia, I should just be dead in the water with an > >orphaned product. I should be required to switch to cold fusion or > >FDS? > > > >Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeezz. > > > >Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldnt be surprised if the opensource community eventually caught up > > > and > > > released versions for AMF2, but its really hard to blame Macromedia for > > > someone elses gateways not supporting their latest versions... > > > > > > I dont blame MTASC for not compiling for the Flash 8.5 player. They will > > > probably get their eventually, but still do a wonderful job for FP7 and > > > FP8 > > > > > > > > > At 02:18 PM 12/15/2005, hank williams wrote: > > > >Dave, > > > > > > > >When you said POJO, I interpreted that as Plain Old Java Object. > > > >Correct me if I missunderstood, but thats where I got the Java > > > >reference from. > > > > > > > >With more clarity, I understand your argument about it being possible > > > >to expose php code using web services. > > > > > > > >But I really think that regardless of which is better (I have my way > > > >you have yours) that there is no good reason under the sun to be > > > >*forced* out of using a technology that macromedia championed and > > > >still does today with just a minor shift so the old stuff will be > > > >incompatible. > > > > > > > >Sorry if I am a little irritable on this subject, but I just think > > > >that what macromedia has done here, regardless of the web > > > >services/remoting benefits borders generates alot of mistrust in the > > > >developer community. I know it does with me anyway. > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >Hank. > > > > > > > >On 12/15/05, Dave Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > 1) I didnt imply Java anywhere in my question/suggestion/answer? > > > > > Pretty much every servant technology today supports exposing language > > > > > artifacts as web services without any code refactoring. This is true > > > > > of Java, PHP, .NET, heck even PowerBuilder. Its actually a really > > > > > important point I think folks don't know. Take Java (as just a single > > > > > example). If you hava Java class exposed as a RemoteObject (only Java > > > > > and CFC supported as remtoe object via Flex1.5 now) did you know that > > > > > you can expose that *exact same* java class as a web service with > > > > > *zero* code changes to the class? Yup. It takes something like 2 > > > > > minutes of total work to do. You can try it youself with something > > > > > like the restaurant example. We had a new guy do that just this week. > > > > > He redid the restaurant example to be all web services in basically > > > > > no time flat. > > > > > > > > > > Thats why I asked the question. Step back and consider the fact you > > > > > could expose your PHP, or whatever, as a web service, totally drop any > > > > > dependancy on needing a server proxy at all, regardless of what > > > > > vendors proxy. > > > > > > > > > > 2) I agree the thread on web service vs remote object has been > > > > > discussed over and over. But there are new folks joining these ranks > > > > > every day, and the question is still very much open. Like in all > > > > > debates everyone will pick a side. I think its pretty clear we prefer > > > > > web services over remote object, and have that decision based on many > > > > > points which we have often discussed. More so our decision is > > > > > validated by quite major production deployments of Flex solutions. > > > > > Our opinion is, given the choice, we tend to prefer a web service. Its > > > > > just that. An opinion. > > > > > > > > > > In either case, I just wanted to present the option to the questioner. > > > > > WebServices might actually be a great way to solve his issue, without > > > > > the risk of bringing in an unsupported third party product, and > > > > > without any license cost at all. I didnt feel a suggestion like that > > > > > was off topic. Apologies if it was seen that way. > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Dave Wolf > > > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > > > > > <<http://www.cynergysystems.com>http://www.cynergysystems.com>http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats an interesting response. > > > > > > > > > > > > So all of us who have developed solutions with remoting really didnt > > > > > > need it anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aside from the fact that he was asking about amphp which has nothing > > > > > > to do with java, remoting does offer benefits over web services > > (aside > > > > > > from avoiding the reconfiguring ones server side implementation) > > which > > > > > > have been debated and discussed ad infinitum and I will not restate > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/15/05, Dave Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand why you can't simply use <mx:WebService/> to > > > > > > > replace <mx:RemoteObject> in most cases. Using AXIS you can > > use the > > > > > > > exact same POJO you might have used in a <mx:RemoteObject/> and > > do so > > > > > > > without the need for any gateway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Dave Wolf > > > > > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > > > > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > > > > > > > <<http://www.cynergysystems.com>http://www.cynergysystems.com>http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, hank williams <[EMAIL > > > > > > > PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I know there is not yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was some discussion about this on the flashcoders list > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > flex2 came out. I made a pretty big deal about the fact that the > > > > > docs > > > > > > > > seem to indicate that standard remoting will not be something > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > supported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Chambers (a MM employee) indicated that it was > > supported. But > > > > > > > > what he meant was that it was supported at a super low level > > and you > > > > > > > > would essentially have to write all the low level remoting > > code for > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seemed pretty clear to me that their intent was to, ahem, > > > > > > > > **encourage** remoting users to buy cold fusion or Flex Data > > > > > Services, > > > > > > > > in order to do painless remoting, and that they were essentially > > > > > > > > orphaning anyone who was not doing remoting with one of their > > pricey > > > > > > > > gateways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, perhaps this post will bring adobe employees out of the > > > > > woodwork > > > > > > > > crying foul and saying I am wrong. 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