Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:21:04 -0700

Wow. This email list is strange. I am only seeing matts email because jack responded to it which means he already got it but I havent. Strange.

But anyway, now that I am fully understanding this. It sounds *insane*.

You are telling me that remoting, which used to cost $500 or $1000 per server now costs $20,000 per server.

I repeat this is insane. It is more expensive than cisco routers. It is more expensive than oracle databases. I repeat. This is insane. No one other than perhaps people using the most valuable and narrow pieces of FDS will pay it. You guys are pricing yourselves out of the market, as you always do.

I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market.

I am in awe.

Hank

On 6/30/06, Jack W. Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Matt:
 
Regarding "How many CPUs does your application interact with . . ."
 
For example . . .
 
Are you saying a server where the Flex app resides is 1 CPU and the server
that has MySQL is a second CPU?  Which means I need 2 CPU license?
 
Thanks,
 
Jack

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:25 PM

To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services

No, the key here is the idea of an application.  How many CPUs does your application potentially interact with (which often means how many CPUs behind the load-balancer, not how many a given app touches).  In FDS Express your application can only potentially talk to one CPU, and you get that for free.  In departmental 100 concurrent users can interact with your potential CPUs at $6K a CPU.  Full license is as many users as you want across all the CPUs.

We'll be working in an improved pricing page that gets into more gory details over the next week hopefully.

Matt

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:08 PM


To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services

There are two types of clustering. One type involves the FDS sharing information between nodes. The second type is for remoting, and other similar services where basic load balancers are used.

Does the express license allow us to use load balancers where there is no FDS clustering involved?

Hank

On 6/30/06, Matt Chotin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think we'll cross that bridge when we get to it J

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc.
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:25 AM


To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services

Is this going to hold true as processors continue to get faster or will Adobe change their licensing model?

For instance, IBM just made a chip that will run at 350GHz at room temperature.

It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections.

--Kelly

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services

A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover.  We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users.

For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle.

HTH,

Matt

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services

So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they
only allow you 100 users?

Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited
users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am
still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free
product is.

Hank

On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU
> and how much it can handle.
>
> If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management
> Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the
> 100 :)
>
> Dirk.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM
> > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions
> > of Flex Data Services
> >
> > I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version,
> > and a 20k version of fds.
> >
> > But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website.
> >
> > One of the key questions I have is what is the difference
> > between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the
> > free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I
> > understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So
> > does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It
> > sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I
> > am sure thats not the case.
> >
> > Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for
> > each version would be very helpful.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Hank
> >
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