RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides

[Jack Caldwell]

Doug:   While price options are nice, the server side when scaling is a necessity is still over priced.   My .02 cents . . . . as opposed to $ 20K.   Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:27 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides not listening?  Flex 1.5 had like none of the price options Flex 2.0 has and no fancy IDE worth salt!  DK On 8/24/06, Jack Caldwell < [EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote: Ryanm:   Thanks for the clarification.  I was afraid of that.   I agree 1,000% regarding pricing.   It appears that Adobe has "Enterprise" on the brain.  They seem to think that is their target market.   Big mistake.   Other alternatives will emerge and Adobe will be sitting at a board meeting wondering what went wrong.  Why is FDS not selling.   They are just not listening to their customers.   Again, thanks for the clarification.   Jack From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of ryanm Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] [flexcoders] Re: Choice of backend systems - which provides > On a departmental version, if I have 2 single CPU servers(clustered) I > would > need 2 licenses at $6K per CPU. > > Does that get me 200 concurrent users? > Nope... FDS Departmental - $6K per CPU - 100 concurrent users across cluster - multiple CPU support - clustering support That's what "across cluster" means, you only get 100 users no matter how many licenses you buy. Macrobe seems/seemed to be stuck on artificially limiting the number of concurrent users in order to sell more (or more expensive) servers. Like Ted said: "Most machines fail in supporting a high number of concurrent users at the host operating system. Some OS's are more scalable than others." Straight from the horse's mouth. Most servers don't limit by concurrent users and allow the server to handle as many users as the server can handle, at which point you need to cluster servers to manage the load. Meanwhile, Adobe wants to limit by concurrent users *and* force you to buy more licenses for clustered servers. IOW, have their cake and eat it too. Personally, I haven't been able to justify it to anyone yet, so I haven't been able to sell a single license for the new FDS or FMS servers, directly because of the licensing. Conpanies that have plenty of money to spend and an adversity to OS software have actually said to me "Isn't there an open source one we can use that isn't so restrictive?" They don't have any problem shelling out tens of thousands for a server, but are suprised by the ridiculous licensing scheme. I'm not losing any money, in fact I'm making more money in development hours on the projects because I have to come up with other solutions, but Adobe has certainly lost at least a million $ worth of business this year because my clients went either to web services (standardized) or to a 3rd party solution or some custom solution (optimized). And yes, I spent plenty of time working with my local Adobe rep, but she was unable to get any kind of sensible licensing scheme approved, even with the amounts of money we were talking about. I just wonder if they realize how much money they are losing because of their licensing schemes. ryanm -- Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it? __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Software development tool Software development Software development services Home design software Software development company YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___