Everybody uses Windows, almost all the workstations are windows. Macs have IE working OK. The better solution was a cross plataform solution, that's why I've been working with Flex.
I expected, when I downloaded the alpha version of Flex 2.0, that at this moment Adobe would already havea .NET solution. But this it not true. So maybe, and just maybe, it´s better to have a IE solution supported by a big company, like Microsoft, than to deploy an application constructed with Open Source solutions. I would say that some of this Open Source solutions a very good, like, Fluorine, very well conducted by Zoltan. But what we need is a solution supported by another big company like Adobe. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How will they become a "true" competitor when as I understand it, the XBAPs > really only work in IE, so the whole cross-platform notion goes out the > window, doesn't it? > > I think that WPF definitely has it's place... on the windows desktop. It is > my opinion that it will be huge in making windows applications more rich and > friendly experiences, but for now at least, I don't see it making the same > headway in online applications. > > On 4/23/07, mvbaffa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I would like to remember that Windows Communication Foundation has > > duplex, or callback services. That allows the server notify the > > clients of any server events. Sounds like FDS don't you think ??? > > > > And It's free !!!!! > > > > FDS is still more easy to use and more complete. But WCF is getting > > there. > > > > When Microsoft solves the restrictions for the XBAP sandbox, XAML > > Browser applications will be a true competitor of Flex. > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com>, "dorkie > > dork from dorktown" > > > > <dorkiedorkfromdorktown@> wrote: > > > > > > you wrote, > > > How many enterprise / companies do you know are shopping around for > > > electronic forms built in PDF vs SAAS solutions? PDF is a danger > > in some > > > organisations, it's something they want to put as much distance > > away from as > > > possible and prefer to leave them buried in the Document Management > > > Solution(s). I'm not saying it's not worth the persuit (I think > > MSFT has > > > some stuff in this space as well, forgive me as I've not cared to > > look into > > > what they are) but do so *NOT* at the expense of FLEX/RIA > > development > > > world-wide. > > > > > > that's what i'm talking about! there is a goal here that i thought > > Flex/RIA > > > was trying to address. i thought that was to make development and > > developers > > > lives easier and add new and necessary features to progress that. > > > > > > i love flex. it is an amazing vehicle but i think we need to get the > > > foundation built. the flex 2 framework is part of the foundation. > > the data > > > services adapters on the server need to be part of that foundation. > > at least > > > basic amf remoting deserializers / classes. half the benefit of > > flex is the > > > data communications. client side *is* only half the application. > > > > > > flex builder - reasonably priced > > > flex sdk - free (great for mass adoption) > > > flex data services - out of reach for mass adoption of flex > > > > > > IMO that is the reason people would shop around to another solution. > > > > > > i don't see Silverlight's path in this market. if it does have > > something out > > > of the box it will have a huge advantage. > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/07, Scott Barnes <scott.barnes@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > > > How many enterprise / companies do you know are shopping around > > for > > > > electronic forms built in PDF vs SAAS solutions? PDF is a danger > > in some > > > > organisations, it's something they want to put as much distance > > away from as > > > > possible and prefer to leave them buried in the Document > > Management > > > > Solution(s). I'm not saying it's not worth the persuit (I think > > MSFT has > > > > some stuff in this space as well, forgive me as I've not cared to > > look into > > > > what they are) but do so *NOT* at the expense of FLEX/RIA > > development > > > > world-wide. > > > > > > > > 2002 RIA Theory was written down, people bought it (I for one, > > hey he also > > > > was the brains behind CF, so I owe my mortgage to his last idea, > > so figured > > > > he'd be worth the second). It's 2007 and RIA is supposed to be > > bigger! Yet, > > > > isn't as widespread. > > > > > > > > So, Microsoft are looking to give developers access to three > > tiers of User > > > > Experience through a more mature approach that goes beyond the > > runtime stck > > > > with a focus on the developers initially, get them on firm > > footing, then go > > > > look at the higher ends of town as by this point developers, whom > > are just > > > > as important, have validated the substance of the technology on > > merit. > > > > > > > > Good Experience > > > > AJAX / HTML / CSS > > > > > > > > Great Experience > > > > Silverlight > > > > > > > > Ultimate Experience > > > > Windows Presentation Foundation > > > > > > > > > > > > ASP.NET 2.0 has reduced effort by up to two-thirds since ASP 1.0 > > was > > > > produced, I say this as being a Coldfusion developer for 9 years > > I'm amazed > > > > at how fluent one is able to go from ASP to AJAX, so I can only > > hint that > > > > going from ASP.NET AJAX to Silverlight is going to be enormous in > > > > productivity gains and with the right tools, this hopefully > > should seem > > > > effortless. Steve.B looked like a loon when he jumped up and down > > about > > > > "Developers, Developers, Developers" but he was right, this is > > where the > > > > focus should be at the start of technology, expand when you get > > their > > > > blessing first and this is based off of "uptake". > > > > > > > > Validating RIA? Hate to break the news to one and all, but > > Microsoft's > > > > focus is to stimulate the online/offline application market whom > > have been > > > > using DHTML solutions for years, to get more robust and scaleable > > by > > > > offering the above three tiers of experience potential. Flash has > > it's own > > > > agenda, and Microsoft isn't about to crush that - hence I why I > > echo, it's > > > > about co-existence not changing technology stacks. > > > > > > > > Adobe make great output, but I worry at times about the input as > > I know > > > > they can do better (similar with Microsoft, only reverse, great > > at input but > > > > at times need work on output). No two companies are perfect. > > > > > > > > I rant but I'm not buying Adobe's direction on this one - if I > > may say > > > > that clocked off MSFT's payroll and using Flex on my weekend (s). > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/22/07, Paul DeCoursey <paul@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree that Adobe is ignoring a large market. The low cost > > remoting > > > > > product kind of already exists in open source, third party, and > > in > > > > > house solutions. What Adobe is doing with Live Cycle is > > capturing the > > > > > niche markets that do need PDF workflow in their RIA > > Applications. > > > > > These companies have deep pockets and will use these for > > projects that > > > > > can save them millions of dollars a year. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think that Adobe needs to have the low cost remoting > > product > > > > > in their line, and I think that Adobe is counting on third > > parties and > > > > > the community to provide those solutions. > > > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com><flexcoders% > > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Scott > > > > > Barnes" <scott.barnes@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I got could point for point with you and sound like a goose, > > but > > > > > overall, > > > > > > I'll push back with a question. How many people on this list > > are in > > > > > need of > > > > > > PDF work flow generation vs Remoting that's easier to work > > with on > > > > > both JAVA > > > > > > and .Net while at the same time have a low cost barrier. I'd > > like to > > > > > think > > > > > > that Scrapblog.com <http://scrapblog.com/> concepts could do > > more with > > > > > Adobe technology, instead > > > > > > they had to shop around and thankfully WebORB folks have a > > descent > > > > > product > > > > > > to cope with this burden. > > > > > > > > > > > > LiveCycle is just not ready to be slotted into RIA as it's > > still > > > > > somewhat > > > > > > foreign to the "RIA" momentum. It's forcing the issue. > > > > > > Microsoft has more to learn, and I'll be sure to flog them > > where I > > > > > can to > > > > > > make that happen. I'm in Seattle next week and i'm not there > > to eat > > > > > > lunch/dinners and party, I have reasons and it's to do with > > Web 2.0 > > > > > and RIA > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
