(Slightly off-topic) Recently I wanted to get a fully-loaded, workhorse 
PC with XP-OEM installed, no crapware, and a matt screen (cause I cannot 
STAND the highly reflective screens that seem to be all the rage 
nowadays) -- and I found it in the Dell Latitude D830. My review here:
http://www.joeflash.ca/blog/2008/04/how-i-bought-my-perfect-xp-laptop.html

The other reason I bought it is that it's got a really solid 
construction, no cheap plastic, and without weighing a ton -- and at my 
former employers', that's all they would buy were the Latitude, so I 
know they can take quite a beating.

So if you're going to buy a PC laptop, it pays to dig for the 
not-so-newest-fad to find quality.


_______________________________________________________________

Joseph Balderson, Flash Platform Developer | http://joeflash.ca


Anatole Tartakovsky wrote:
> I would stay away from Vaio for developers machine - a lot of components 
> with proprietary Sony drivers, XP models are not compatible with Vista 
> ones, no driver upgrades - they are OK for occasional/office user, but 
> hard to work with if you need to re-image or add/replace hardware. The 
> only one laptop comparable in my mind to MBP is Thinkpad T61 - good LCDs 
> and hard drives, power supply that does work on airplane, cheap memory 
> and comparable performance - but the quality has been declining steadily 
> for years, so it becomes chancy. However, the parts and design are still 
> OK for machine with lifespan of 2 years. We still buy them for our staff 
> that goes to Windows only shops - the difference in the price for 
> identical hardware spec is about 30%.
> 
> HTH,
> Anatole   
> 
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Josh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
>     They're not really pricey if you care about build and component
>     quality and style though - Sure I could buy a cheap fugly dell for
>     2/3 the price, but if I were stuck in Windows I wouldn't be caught
>     dead using "consumer" laptops. Lousy components, ugly and too much
>     cheap plastic. I'd have to go for a Vaio, which is priced like a
>     Mackbook Pro anyway.
> 
> 
> 
>     On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rob Rusher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
>         For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac
>         because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with
>         the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install
>         Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in
>         tandem.
> 
>         So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the
>         form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very
>         powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I
>         can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on
>         both platforms.
> 
>         I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty.
>         But I'm am happy!
> 
>         The down side, Macs are a little pricey.
> 
>         Regards,
>         Rob
> 
>         On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>         <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
>             Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but
>             there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems
>             to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact
>             we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it
>             could be Vista too :)
> 
>             On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill
>             <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
>                 Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out
>                 the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to
>                 the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME?   :)
>                  
>                 Nancy
>                  
> 
>                     ----- Original Message -----
>                     *From:* Joseph Balderson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>                     *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
>                     <mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com>
>                     *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM
>                     *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going
>                     to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
> 
>                     I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use
>                     XP SP3.
> 
>                     ____________________________________________________
> 
>                     Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345
> 
>                     b_alen wrote:
>                      > Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also
>                     thinking of switching to
>                      > Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80%
>                     sure that next laptops
>                      > will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net
>                     development and
>                      > integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution
>                     to that?
>                      >
>                      >
>                      >
>                      >
>                      >
>                      > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
>                     <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>,
>                     "scottyale2008" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>                      > wrote:
>                      >> How many Flex developers here are using a Mac
>                     for development? I've
>                      >> been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well,
>                     since Microsoft first
>                      >> started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to
>                     Microsoft DOS (on
>                      >> computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows,
>                     now Vista. I do have an
>                      >> iPhone and it is an incredible device and the
>                     GUI is extremely well
>                      >> done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my
>                     friends have taken the
>                      >> plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm
>                     thinking about a Mac Book
>                      >> Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a
>                     Flex dev machine or is
>                      >> a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make
>                     the switch recently
>                      >> from Windows to Mac?
>                      >>
>                      >
>                      >
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>             -- 
>             "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It
>             tolls for thee."
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>         -- 
>         -- 
>         Regards,
>         Rob Rusher
> 
>         Adobe Certified AIR, Connect, ColdFusion MX and Flex Instructor
>         m: 303-885-7044
>         im: robrusher
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>     -- 
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>     thee."
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