Jim,

It's interesting that it has found commercial use .. especially as effective 
as in TV. I would believe that you are talking about the video.

I have been experimenting with AM a bit. I have found that even with 
traditional AM, I could drop the level of the carrier a wee bit and no one 
has metioned anything other than it sounds great! I expect that there is a 
point where I would get reports of distortion but with the AM carrier level 
dropped to 85 percent now, that has not happened. I am using a device that 
purposely outputs symetrical audio because I don't want asymetrical audio 
affecting the results.

Getting rid of one sideband would really be interesting. I do it on receive 
with spectacular results, especially when there is QRM present but doing it 
on transmit would require some code changes. Thanks for the info.

--Larry W8ER

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Larry W8ER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Reflector Flex" 
<FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] SSB with Carrier?


> At 07:37 PM 12/19/2006, Larry W8ER wrote:
>
>>My question is, how much additional trouble would it be to develope an 
>>additional mode that sends one sideband and the carrier? This would erase 
>>the objections of double bandwidth and yet retain the perfect demodulation 
>>that AM'ers love so much. Since the information in the second sideband is 
>>redundant, it would be a perfect solution to all of the arguments!
>
> This has a name, and is used for TV broadcasts.  VSB (vestigial sideband). 
> In practice, you get "part" of the lower sideband (about 1 MHz worth).
>
> And, in fact, you don't need as much carrier power as in conventional AM. 
> All you really need is a "pilot tone" which your receiver can then lock 
> onto.  This was part of the ACSSB (amplitude compandered SSB) strategy, 
> which was proposed (decades ago?) as a replacement for narrow band FM.
>
>
> Modern digital television broadcasts (in the US) use a similar form, with 
> 8VSB (8 level amplitude encoding) and a slight imbalance to produce a 
> pilot that can be used to acquire the signal and help train the adaptive 
> equalizer. If you look at a DTV signal on a spectrum analyzer, it looks 
> like a nice flat plateau with a little bump sticking up towards the LF 
> end.
>
>
> In deep space comm, we use various forms of PSK with residual carrier to 
> allow acquisition and tracking, as well.  While these are constant 
> envelope modulations, the idea is the same, give up some of the power that 
> is used for carrying information bits to transmit a phase/frequency 
> reference to make the receiver's job easier.
>
>
>
> James Lux, P.E.
> Spacecraft Radio Frequency Subsystems Group
> Flight Communications Systems Section
> Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Mail Stop 161-213
> 4800 Oak Grove Drive
> Pasadena CA 91109
> tel: (818)354-2075
> fax: (818)393-6875
>
> 


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