Matt > I am all for warming up to Windows developers, or any from anywhere for > that matter, or any end user (in fact and ordinary end user with basic > experience can shed a lot of interesting light onto many applications). > But I have indeed asked many times why people run certain pieces of > software and I took Outlook Express as an example of what I have been > told first hand. > > Cannot see how this argument is actually *nix developers versus people > who develop on Windows, its not at all, or indeed anything to do with > taking swipes at end users. > > Do you still think that is the case?
Yes. Let's go back to the email which started all this: QUOTE using Outlook to read e-mail is like licking public toilets; using Outlook with a virus checker is like taking antibiotics and then licking public toilets (it might work, but it's hardly optimal). Please, people, if you have a choice, don't read e-mail with Outlook, or at least, don't read the flightgear lists with that program. I know that some of you are forced to use Outlook at work, but there's no excuse for using it at home or school UNQUOTE The use of Outlook is compared to licking public toilets, and to avoid any possible doubt, it is made clear that it applies to people using Outlook to read flightgear lists. There is apparently "no excuse" for doing this . Regarding your own comment - Have you ever heard of stereotyping, a device typically used to reinforce prejudice? Yes I have walked people through changing defaults in Outloook Express and many other similar tasks, probably rather more than you might imagine, but that's no excuse for extending any presumptions from those experiences to an entire population of users. It appears that the arguments put up by those of us who have been belittled by the toilet-licking analogy have fallen on completely deaf ears. Even now, I haven't seen a single acknowledgement that Outlook Express can be set up and used safely, and other messages "defending" the use of Outlook have been similarly ignored. Presumably those of us who continue to infect the flightgear lists by our use of these dispicable tools do so with continued disapproval. I have made a positive decision over the years to use Windows over a Unix environment (even though I continue to maintain a working Linux system). It shouldn't be necessary for me to have to defend this choice, for any reason, let alone stereotyping and historically-(mis)informed prejudice. You can choose to ignore the negative impact of all this on the potential Windows developer base if you wish, but I personally feel it is not good for the future or image of FlightGear for it to continue. It gives the impresssion, intentional or otherwise, that FlightGear is a *nix dominated, anti-Windows clique. I've had an offlist reply to an earlier posting, presumably on the assumption that the discussion was not relevant to the list. I beg to differ - it *is* important that a project which claims to welcome cross-platform and multiplatform development demonstrates respect for whichever platform potential developers may choose, including the safe use of the tools associated with that platform assisted by the application of common sense (as with any platform). Mally PS. I'm getting bogged down with the amount of effort I'm having to put into dealing with this important issue, so I'm not intending to to make any further reply. Please do not assume that this implies acceptance of any points subsequently raised. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 20/08/03 _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
