On Saturday 12 April 2008 18:29, Ralf Gerlich wrote:
> Hi!
>
> LeeE wrote:
> > I would argue that we need to keep track of copyright issues
> > because all of the FG aircraft and their colour schemes,
> > perhaps with the exclusion of Oleg,  are copyrighted and FG has
> > no clear rights to use them (Oleg's 'components' i.e. the
> > bricks are copyrighted but the design made out of them isn't). 
> > Actually, Oleg's design is copyrighted but the copyright holder
> > is the person who submitted it to FG:)
>
> I agree.
>
> > _We_ are discussing it because _you_ posted a reply to it:)
> > Otherwise it would have just been me, and I would have probably
> > soon shut up about it:)   So if you don't want to discuss it -
> > don't post about it:)
>
> I asked why we are discussing about the "exhibition" issue
> instead of the distribution issue. I originally did not reply
> about "exhibition" stuff, but rather about the "for profit" vs.
> "in a regular manner" distinction.
>
> In general, a discussion about the legal aspects is not very
> satisfying, except if there would be two lawyers on this list
> discussing it - which would not be very satisfying as well (two
> lawyers, three opinions).
>
> If I unterstood the text linked by Melchior in his original post
> correctly, the EFF mainly focuses on the trademark issues of the
> designs, but not on the copyright issues.
>
> Trademark issues might - independently of the problems the EFF is
> focusing on - be applicable to the liveries. Copyright issues
> might be applicable to the designs. The best solution would be if
> we had the written agreement of the respective rights owners.
> That could clear us from legal issues, independent of whether
> such issues would arise or not. However, one would have to
> clarify, who "we" is or who needs the written agreement.
>
> To be reasonably sure of what we have to do and what we can do,
> we'd need a copyright expert (read: an actual lawyer). I am no
> such expert - although I'd say that I know a good part or two
> about copyright - and I suspect those taking part in the
> discussion so far aren't, either. Discussing this among legal
> laymen is probably no good idea.
>
> Cheers,
> Ralf

Ok - fine - we'll stop discussing it because we don't know what 
we're talking about.

Problem? - what problem?

LeeE

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