On Nov 18, 2008, at 2:51 AM, Geoff wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 13:57 +1100, dave wrote: >> I think that >> if you need to have serious, "trying to fly as realistically as >> possible" events, then go ahead and organise more of them and >> publish a >> code of conduct for those attending. Who knows? you could have it as >> often as weekly. Weekend flightschool/control tower practise anyone? > actually we are 2 girls considering starting up some sorta flight- school on flightgear. why? lets face it the sim is so advanced/realistic that yes you can grab a set of keys jump in to your cessna and have fun however the basic skills for navigation or lag here of will show them self quite fast. However as said before i am wondering how many would meet up for such an event? you could for a start use the faa books which are actually free. When i started in here as as far the only blind pilot i quite fast realized one thing it is hard! so what was i to do? I ended up calling home and whined at my dad for almost 60 minutes... it ended with 4 mails and a lot of reading. conclusion? sure you can join flightgear and have fun however you need to have navigational skills to come from a to b. Like you would in the real world "boy am i glad you dont die from crashing in flightgear"
> I'd like to pipe up on this topic as well. I fly for two Virtual > Airlines - A small bush pilot outfit (http://pierglass.com) and the > VUSN > (http://vusn.org). The two groups could not be further apart in their > organizations if you tried. PGA flies when, where, what, and how > pretty > much as we like - it's pure social with a heavy bent on writing up > PIREPS (aka stories). It started out in the old days of Flight > Unlimited I. > > The VUSN, on the other hand is about as organized and disciplined as > it > can get. Pilots request, get training in, and fly specific aircraft > models. They earn their "Wings of Gold" and go to advanced training > much of which focuses on formation flight and use of weapons and > sensors. > impressive their website looks cool but there are more to it am i the only one who have seen that they have actually as some of the only ones on the net commented their pictures out so i as a blind person knows what it is ? > I have developed an add-on for MSFS (X-Plane and FG are in the works) > That allows real-time simulated warfare which the VUSN is testing for > me. Restricting FG to IVAO would certainly kill any prospect of using > it (FG) as the VUSN flies on VATSIM. Indeed one of the problems I > have > with VATSIM is their insistence on a closed source interface with > their > network. They seem to believe that if the source is closed no one > will > interfere with their network. Believe me, a packet sniffer and a > couple > of hours later and I figured out their protocol. If security you > want, > closing the source won't give it to you. > if you need test persons let me know i will not be able to help with the code but most certainly with the flying :) > However, despite that, the VATSIM network is too slow for decent > formation flight, so we use another product (free) IBNET which uses > peer-to-peer. I am in the process of developing my own system > because of > server/latency issues. > > Now for the "kids". In the VUSN we get a lot of applicants. The > first > hurdle they must pass is the application. It is amazing how many > people > can not follow instructions even when the important parts are large > font > and red in color. Probably 95% of all would-be pilots do not make it > through our TRACOM (Training Command). It's not hard to do - it just > takes perseverance which, sadly, most folks just don't have. Most who > want to join simply want to hop in an F/A-18 and take off and land > on a > carrier. We try to emulate the real world as best as possible, so > they > start out on the T-6 Texan II just as in the real world, though the > training is considerably less. Heck you're not going to die if you > splat a virtual plane. > I will use a little time on this subject as well. Since i joined flightgear i have seen a lot of folks talk about the "kids" however it is quite frequently that i fly around ksfo and see "serious" pilots come online and take of, what am a girl to think about they so to speak serious pilots? in respect for them i shall not put it in words but let it be said that had the acted like that way rl they most certainly wouldSTAY GROUNDED FOR GOOD! So why do we have so many "kids"? 1 flightgear is as you all i am sure remember free. It umon other things means that anyone can install it on there computer. 2 Would it be unrealistic to think that the same "serious pilots" does not respond to the "kids" cry for help in a sticky situation? Personally when i fly there are 2 things that are important for me . 1 That I Sandi Jasmine acts responsible 2 have fun 3 help these who truly needs it. right now i fly a plane with a quite huge amount of power for its size, it means that there are days where i just want to fly easily around listening to the engines gentle purring upfront of me, knowing should the need appear i can interact very fast. I am sitting wondering what can actually be done about the persons who wants to crash in to things/ I am not sure anything can be done about it. You could eventually tell them in a questioning way if they have thought of their actions? It is in anycase better than just talking about the "kids" and remember one more thing it takes under 1 second to state out that you are actually about to take off words like "clear " "hello" etc" dont say much and surely you are as serious as you say you are right? > I have not tried to tie in my simulator with the IVAO because I have > heard (rightly or wrongly) that they are even more restrictive than > VATSIM. So tying FG to IVAO - or for that matter - any specific > online > flight community would be a mistake IMHO. Present several options. I > have also heard that it is getting harder and harder to get > controllers > (at least on VATSIM) because the flight sim environment has become > ho-hum since now it is pretty realistic and people lose interest in > the > mundane. So their viability is, perhaps, questionable. IVAO (and > VATSIM) went through some pretty tough times a while back. Indeed I > used to fly in IVAO but when they has serious problems I went to > VATSIM > where I found the VUSN and joined. > again i just checked VUSN's site, impressive > > There is room in the online world for all type of "kids" - those > serious > - and those not so - and they will sort themselves out. The serious - > by the book ones will find an airline or military VA that fills their > needs - just as the free spirits will find VAs that allow them to be > part of a social group and do their thing. I would agree that if > using > a controller's service one should abide by aviation's rules of the > road, > but don't force FG into one online service or another. There's room > for > all. > again some of the Controllers do not in fact know the rules or something as simple as the vor freq for the AP which they control. I was a little amused when i had to give that to one of the ATC's the other day but hey it could have been me in another situation. Where does all this chitterish leave us ? Is it time for a serious flightschool? /sandi --- I dont have a blonde moment! I have a blonde life! > -- > Geoff McLean > McLean Research Associates > Senior Pilot, PGA > Commander, VUSN, CO Helicopter Composite Squadron-5 > Author, Naval Engagement! and Underway! > > "To be good is not enough when you dream of being great." > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win > great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in > the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
