Dear Rob, From your description it appears that I am one of those "kids". A 43 year old kid mind you. I am always polite to others on the MP system. I sometimes perform stunts in unusual aircraft and show off just for a laugh. I demonstrate what can be achieved with practise. I push the flight envelope on occasion. What I do as well though, is encourage the use of FG and Linux through my usage. I help those "kids" who say "how do I fly a helicopter?" learn to fly a helicopter". I remind the "kids" that this a shared realm and that people aren't required to follow orders. Most of the people on there are good folk and treat each other respectfully. I would rather have the less-than-serious "kids" use FlightGear than alternatives and rather "kids" than a bunch of stiffs who just don't approve because of their personal mind set. I think that if you need to have serious, "trying to fly as realistically as possible" events, then go ahead and organise more of them and publish a code of conduct for those attending. Who knows? you could have it as often as weekly. Weekend flightschool/control tower practise anyone? I'll turn up and make you proud! On the subject of IVAO, I think that even entertaining the idea of closing access to the FG-MP server for IVAO is the tail wagging the dog. The connection to IVAO should be the exceptional case, not the general one.
Getting to know FlightGear was/is not an easy experience and at least some benefit of the doubt should be afforded to those who obviously aren't at your level of familiarity/usage or have a different attitude to FG in general. I suppose what I am trying to say is that your idea of what FG is, may or may not be at all like what I see it as. People need to remember what the "open" part of open source implies and what free spirit is about as well. While I am here, I thank you all for FG. Because of FG, not only do I have have a great simulator (free too) I have learned to use blender and am a long way into a new model to hand over one day should it past muster. I am even considering dusting off the old coding me and diving into the guts. Such a great gift, is FG, that I feel the need to contribute and learn more to be able to do so as well as the need to encourage and help others use it. cheers, Dave McLoughlin. (Woddy) Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: > I wrote: > > It seems > > that a large number (often, the majority) of FG-MP users are on the > > network to mess around and socialize rather than participate in a > > multi-aircraft scenario with any degree of realism. > > Arnt wrote: > > ..my impression from what little I've seen here on this list, > > (I haven't had time to join the fun), is our "social" MP > > things are MP airshows and fly-ins, in the http://eaa.org/ > > and http://airventure.org/ style spirit. > > > ..these events fits nicely into RL air traffic in RL and I see no > > problems with IVAO's serious relism traffic servers joining our > > MP servers, {...} > > Those are the events that we "organize," and in the forum these are > organized by a core group of mature, "semi-serious" aviators, who fly > these events for social reasons but attempt to fly reasonably > realistically throughout them. > > But those you don't see on the list, but who are online on the MP > servers on a near-constant basis, are the "kids" (of variable age > range, no doubt) whose idea of social flying is "EMERGENCY LANDING< > EVERYBODY CLEAR THE RUNWAY!!!!@@@" or "CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO > FLY>>??" and/or those that just loop around aimlessly seeking > attention or try to pull off something "cool" flying a 787 like it > were in an aerobatic display. > > Given the former, I agree that this presents no problem working with > IVAO. How do we screen for the latter? Again I say that there would > have to be two FG-MP networks; one connected with IVAO and one that > isn't. Or, close FG-MP to only those who register for IVAO and plan > to follow its guidelines, leaving the "kids" to play solo, or else > privately set up their own FG-MP servers. > > Cheers, > -R. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
